On Tue, 2022-05-03 at 19:37 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Tue, May 3 2022 at 05:14:53 PM -0700, Adam Williamson > <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Stable releases of core components of a major desktop should never > > contain bugs like "deleting contacts sometimes doesn't work" or "you > > can't add photos to an album in the Photos application because the > > dialog where you're supposed to do it is completely broken and the > > list > > entries multiply like rabbits who've been dosed up on viagra". > > Distribution validation testing is not *for* finding bugs like this. > > I kinda agree, but reality is GNOME has no QA, and Fedora has good QA, > so Fedora is gonna find the bugs. > > (IMO GNOME quality has actually improved considerably over the past > decade. But surely not enough so!) GNOME, yes. The thing this makes me wonder is: does it *really* make sense for GNOME to be shipping all these desktop apps, if it doesn't have the resources to properly maintain or test them? Do GNOME users actually use Contacts and Calendar and Photos? I mean, I'm kind of a GNOME ultra, and I don't. I still use Evolution because it still works and does everything I want and I'm used to it. I still use Shotwell because all my metadata is in it and there doesn't seem to be any way to export it to Photos, so why would I switch? We (Fedora) are more likely to happen across bugs in the core of GNOME than in apps nobody really uses, if that's the kind of QA upstream GNOME is relying on now. > > GNOME does have OpenQA running now, but there are almost no tests. > Maintaining OpenQA tests requires effort that nobody has been > interested in. I don't want this to sound like an invitation "adamw > come prepare and maintain loads of OpenQA tests for us! do even more > work! don't you want a second unpaid job?" but if anybody happens to > think this would be an interesting way to contribute, pushing existing > tests further upstream would not be a bad idea. We could look at what it would take to upstream the app tests we have already for Fedora. What I'm afraid of is that we'd wind up finding some subtle difference in theme or font rendering meant we'd have to duplicate all the needles, and re-do them all twice every time freetype or cantarell sneezes... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
