On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 1:10 AM Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > You miss a number of other things that would require us to keep grub, > one big one in particular is that it only supports UEFI booting. With > the opposition and associated "discussion" to dropping BIOS support > you've missed probably the biggest problem which is systems that > aren't UEFI, there's also POWER and s390x in there. I figured on emulating UEFI, per Neal's message. But since BIOS and UEFI GRUB are significantly different, most of the Fedora patches being related to UEFI (in particular Secure Boot), it could be true that substitution for only UEFI GRUB still helpful. i.e. keep BIOS GRUB, and use the upstream version of it. Still another issue is to what degree the 2nd bootloader needs to be SBAT aware - I think there's some kind of interchange/relay between shim and GRUB? I don't know the status of or scope of work implied by that for anything. Another idea is petitboot or Linux Boot, i.e. using linux and just kexec. This could plausibly replace all boot loaders. If it's really simpler and more maintainable, I'm in favor of it. But if it's just rearranging the deck chairs, I'm not. And I'm aware that even evaluating the alternatives consumes resources we probably don't presently have. But that itself suggests we keep treading water out more out of desperation than that it's the best solution long term. Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
