Fedora Workstation WG meeting
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#startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-04-28)
#meetingname workstation
#chair cmurf
#topic Rollcall
#info present: cmurf, tpopela, aday, mclasen, otaylor, mcatanzaro,
jens, kalev, james, feborges, link
#info regrets: neal
#info missing: langdon
#topic Approve minutes of 14 & 21 April
#link
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-04-21/workstation.2020-04-21-13.07.html
#link
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-04-24/workstation.2020-04-24-15.20.html
#agreed Approved - no objections
#topic Announcements
F32 release day
Fedora on Lenovo laptops; potential implications for the working group:
#link https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/
- First boot (initial setup as the first thing the user sees, rather
than Anaconda) - need to ensure that either language selection is
displayed in initial setup or ensure that the correct keyboard layout
is predefined for the locale. Some digging required here. It might be
good to track that.
- ACTION: Michael to investigate.
- Disk encryption - how to enable/reprovision?
#topic Status reports
Chris is 60% through swap on zram proposal; is currently summarising
the hibernation issue
#topic F32 retrospective, and appoint chair for F33 cycle
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/141
#info Review F32 cycle, WG organizational and meeting format changes.
Chair and co-chair nominations.
#topic Meeting format
Chris would appreciate feedback on the meeting format.
Michael: thinks that things are going well. Thinks that video has been
a success. 6 month chair seems good; thinks that Chris has been doing a
good job.
Allan: posted his feedback in the ticket (as did Chris and Tomas).
Kalev: not happy at all. Would prefer IRC meetings.
Chris: could we have an IRC meeting every month? Kalev: or a video
meeting every month, and IRC at other times?
Matthias: we have IRC all the time.
Non-weekly meetings are difficult, calendar-wise.
#agreed Continue the discussion on the ticket.
#topic Chair/co-chair duration
Kalev: 6 months is too long; would prefer 2/3 months, and the chair can
choose the meeting format
Chris: perhaps that suggestion could be combined with Allan's idea of
the chair delegating more duties
#topic Nominations
Chris would be happy to do it, and perhaps delegate more
Allan is happy to carry on as co-chair, would quite like not to do the
minutes any more
Allan: we have some long-running initiatives which Chris has been
leading, which it would be good to resolve for F33. Chris: isn't sure
he needs to be chair for that.
Michael is happy for Chris to carry on as chair. So is Allan.
Chris invites others to put themselves forward as nominees.
Kalev is interested, but only if we use IRC. Would change the direction
- would focus on getting Flathub preinstalled instead of disk
encryption. Also which apps are preinstalled.
Some discussion about enabling Flathub by default - see ticket #108
#topic Encryption of system and user data
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/136
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82
Discuss short term encryption plan (full disk encryption as it exists
today in the installer, which encrypts both system and user data).
Last week Lennart and Ray joined us to talk about homed. Ray might
report back next week on systemd-homed. It's currently unclear whether
systemd-homed is a short-term prospect or a long-term prospect.
Question about setting up recovery keys -
https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/136#comment-643926
Michael & Matthias: how is a recovery password useful, if you can just
forget that one as well?
Owen: the fact that it's a recovery password indicates to people that
they need a good record of it.
Allan: would like to evaluate the full range of issues/requirements in
relation to full disk encryption, not just this issue alone. How does
this approach to password recovery compare to other approaches?
Michael: we should invite people from fedora-devel to participate in
the discussion.
#action: michael to do this.
Jens: what about root password? (as recovery key?)
#topic Blocking on user switching
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/139
What are the parameters by which loss of function should or should not
be release blocking?
Is it right to block a release on this?
Kalev: yes. We have the engineers to fix it.
Matthias: depends on how relevant user switching is to us.
Allan: there are some multiuser cases where it would be nice if Fedora
was appropriate - small labs/offices. Kalev: shared computers at home
are relevant too.
Allan: other question is how bad the fail state is - does it just not
work, or does it bring down the session/system, etc?
#agreed User switching should be a release blocker; we're happy for QA
to decide on the exact wording.
#action Chris to communicate the decision to QA
#topic Workstation Live image is oversize
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/140
Chris: what's the process we want to determine the image size?
Kalev: if we want to stick to 2GB, we will need to cut some packages.
We're very close to the limit - not much room for manoeuvre.
Owen: if we change the limit to 4GB, we wouldn't have any other process
to keep the size down. This could imply that we should only increase
the limit a small amount. The alternative would be to schedule a size
review each development cycle. Matthias: it could be a package review
rather than size review - to see what changes have been made.
Kalev: it would be good to do this around the same time as the test day.
Owen: that might not give us a lot of time to resolve engineering
issues. Kalev: yes, we should have the test day before the beta, to
give us enough time before the beta release.
Chris: would like to review which services are started, too.
#action Chris will ask release engineering and QA for their input, and
we'll work out the details next week
#topic Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps
#link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125
#info Deferred
#endmeeting
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