On 20/02/19 16:49, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Kamil Paral píše v St 20. 02. 2019 v 15:22 +0100:
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:41 PM Bastien Nocera <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
GNOME Videos will still be available, from here:
https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.gnome.Totem
with all the bells and whistles.
I think that, out-of-the-box, clicking on "Install" on this website
will lead
to a better experience than 1) finding out about third-party RPM
repositories
2) enabling said repositories 3) triggering the codecs to be
installed, including
the aforementioned PackageKit-gstreamer helper bugs
That's probably true. And users who already know about this can do it
already. But without desktop integration, it's unlikely we can get
this message through to most of our users. Of course, spreading this
information doesn't mean the default player needs to get removed. The
player can be there, "half-functional", and we can do our best to
inform our users how to improve the state (even if that means
removing the pre-installed one and installing its Flathub version,
that's just one extra step compared to your guide).
(Whether we can spread this information or not, link to Flathub with
apps containing patented codecs, etc, is something that people with
legal background should probably decide, I have no idea.)
But, one important thing should be considered. Many of those people
who install patented codecs into Fedora will need to enable the
system repositories anyway, Flathub's Totem or VLC will not be
enough. And that's because web is the king now, and web browsers need
those codecs to play most of the web's video content (except
YouTube). Except Chrome, which is popular, but probably not something
we want to encourage.
So I think a large number of users will need to find third-party
codecs anyway (which "fixes" many apps including Totem), and asking
them to install Totem from Flathub doesn't change the picture that
much.
This is a good point. I'd say that these days people watch videos more
in a browser than in a desktop player and installing anything from
Flathub is currently not going to help them in any way. Firefox and
Chromium rely on libavcodec in the system. No matter if Totem is
included or installed from Flathub, nothing changes for them: Wanna
play videos? Go and enable that 3rd party repo and install ffmpeg. And
once that repo is enabled, Software can AFAIK install required
GStreamer plugins in a few clicks.
This is not that easy with Silverblue. You need to install rpmfusion
RPMs first,
than reboot, install ffmpeg, reboot. I'm still waiting for Firefox in
flatpak to be
a think.
Anyway, Silverblue is now installed with only few applications - Firefox,
Gnome-software and some utilities function. So first thing you need to
do is to add
some Flatpak repository (and rpmfusion if you want Firefox with codecs).
I really like the Silverblue, it's awesome concept, but it still needs
some work.
As normal end user I would expect to have at least option to install what
I want out of the box.
mkonecny
I also wonder whether we should continue in our efforts to include as
many video codecs as legally possible (adding support for H.264
playback etc.). What would the consumer of it? Totem would be gone and
browsers use libavcodec.
Jiri
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