----- Original Message -----
> On 2/20/19 8:22 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > This sort of statement pretty much invalidates any other statement you
> > might
> > make in this email. It's just beyond silly.
>
> I see you have your typical, terse hat on today and no discussion will be
> fruitful.
> This will be my last reply.
Seriously, you're going to "tu quoque" me after you called Evolution something
"terrible that nobody uses". Anyway, there's more below, a bit less terse.
> > It's hard for end-users to know what to install, where to install it from,
> > and how to get those GStreamer plugins installed.
>
> This statement makes your statements about installing Flatpaks ironic.
Absolutely not. Let me break it down.
No totem in distribution
------------------------
1. Try to play videos and realise there's nothing installed to play them
2. Launch browser, search for fedora video player
3. Find Fedora Magazine, a blog post, or a forum, linking to Flathub version
of GNOME Videos
4. Click on link
5. Click install button, and a few more buttons
6. Application is installed
(Note that at 1. you might end up launching something that looks like
gnome-software --search=video/mp4
which unfortunately would show some equally under-featured movie players,
which might be a problem that would need fixing)
totem in distribution
---------------------
1. Try to play videos and have an error thrown saying they can't be played
2. Click on "search" for "additional codecs"
3. Find nothing in GNOME Software, close it
4. Launch browser, search for fedora + "error message"
5. Find Fedora Magazine, a blog post, or a forum, linking to RPMFusion
6. Click on link to RPMFusion
7. Click on "Enable RPM Fusion on your system"
8. Click on "RPM Fusion free for Fedora XX"
9. Click install
10. Click on "RPM Fusion nonfree for Fedora XX"
11. Click install
12. Try to play videos and have an error thrown saying they can't be played
13. Click on "search" for "additional codecs"
14. Click on first result, click install, click back
15. Repeat 14. for every item in the list (missing audio/video codecs might be
in different packages)
16. Close GNOME Software
17. Click play, realise that it won't play
18. Close video player
19. Try to play videos again, it works
If PackageKit-gstreamer and the GNOME Software integration was fixed, it would
play the video at 17.
> > The end-user interaction would be better by making them install from
> > Flathub,
> > rather than trying to figure out how to install codecs from a third-party
> > repository. I don't_think_ it's better, I know it to be better.
>
> There's nothing positive I can say about this statement. Luckily Fedora
> allows the
> many to do things the right way when others feel they know everything.
For this case, yes, I worked with Thomas on the original "missing plugins"
support for GStreamer, which we added in Fedora 12 years ago. See the workflow
above and tell me that installing GStreamer plugins is easier than installing
the Flatpak.
> > They don't work unless you install additional drivers which aren't
> > available
> > in Fedora.
>
> I'm fully aware of this. My hands are involved in a few packages that use
> this
> functionality.
This also means that it's another thing to manually download and configure.
> >> We also have RPMFusion stuff being suggested and installed today. Why not
> >> extend
> >> that to the gstreamer1-libav/gstreamer1-plugins-ugly package(s)?
> > No we don't. RPMFusion is not linked from anywhere in the Fedora
> > installations.
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_Party_Software_Repositories
It's a subset of RPMFusion, the end-user never actually sees a link to
rpmfusion.org.
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