----- Original Message ----- > On 2/20/19 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > GNOME Videos will still be available, from here: > > https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.gnome.Totem > > with all the bells and whistles. > > > > I think that, out-of-the-box, clicking on "Install" on this website will > > lead > > to a better experience than 1) finding out about third-party RPM > > repositories > > 2) enabling said repositories 3) triggering the codecs to be installed, > > including > > the aforementioned PackageKit-gstreamer helper bugs > > > > I intend to advertise the upstream distribution of totem via my own blog, > > and > > Fedora Magazine (which apparently can link to Flathub without problems). > > I will not install a Flatpak of any kind. Sorry. If you intend to drop > maintaining > totem in Fedora I'll most likely take maintainership. I'm not interested in somebody taking over the package. If that was the only thing I was interested in, I would already have orphaned it. > > Not to find false equivalences, but we don't ship with a mail client > > out-of-the-box either. > > The default Gnome client is terrible and no one uses it, but there are viable > alternatives as Fedora native packages. I don't think it's fair to compare > e-mail to > video. E-mail doesn't have patents involved. "The default Gnome client is terrible and no one uses it" This sort of statement pretty much invalidates any other statement you might make in this email. It's just beyond silly. > > I'd really rather not have the application available in Fedora, than have > > it > > be a cut-down version that's really hard to extend. In the end, the > > end-users > > will go the way you mentioned earlier, look for a video player, and end up > > installing VLC from Flathub, instead of trying to figure out why this sucky > > video player couldn't play anything. > > Gstreamer is hard to extend? :-/ It's hard for end-users to know what to install, where to install it from, and how to get those GStreamer plugins installed. > Sounds like you want to give up on the automatic codec installation and > require > users to go digging for third-party software because *you* think it's better. > I > don't think it's better. The end-user interaction would be better by making them install from Flathub, rather than trying to figure out how to install codecs from a third-party repository. I don't _think_ it's better, I know it to be better. > > There's a long tail of codecs that are not playable on Fedora, and will > > probably > > never be playable, most of them too niche to be worth spending the time to > > look > > whether they're covered by patents that are still running, and there's some > > already reasonable amount of videos available online as H265, which we > > won't be > > able to support for a while. > > > > The support is better than it's been, but it's still far from optimal, and > > this > > discussion only covers GStreamer codecs and demuxers, which can be detected > > and > > somewhat automatically installed. We also have the question of other > > patent-covered > > uses such as video acceleration. > > We have gstreamer1-vaapi in Fedora so why not install that by default? The > latest > offerings from Intel or AMD support h264/h265/vp9 decoding with VAAPI. They don't work unless you install additional drivers which aren't available in Fedora. > We also have RPMFusion stuff being suggested and installed today. Why not > extend > that to the gstreamer1-libav/gstreamer1-plugins-ugly package(s)? No we don't. RPMFusion is not linked from anywhere in the Fedora installations. _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
