Re: Workstation WG meeting recap 2017-12-18

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On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 12:21 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Adam Williamson
> <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 09:01 -0600, mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > * Remove setroubleshoot  (mcatanzaro, 14:29:45)
> > >   * AGREED: Remove setroubleshoot from default Workstation install,
> > >     without replacement.  (mcatanzaro, 14:44:46)
> > 
> > 14:49:54 <mcatanzaro> We'll see how it works out... fortunately, errors
> > are quite rare nowadays.
> > 
> > A rather large part of the reason why errors are rare is that they are
> > found, reported and fixed by pre-release testers. Removing
> > setroubleshoot from the default desktop install *at a stroke* makes it
> > vastly less likely that pre-release testers will do this. I'm not super
> > happy with this call.
> > 
> > It seems rather baffling, honestly - it almost seems like you voted in
> > favour of getting worse bug reports. Yes, maybe problems will still be
> > reported, but you'll get reports against *your* components like "app
> > doesn't start" or "app can't open file for some reason" rather than a
> > report against selinux-policy that is a precisely targeted description
> > of an selinux denial and, 90% of the time, will be *read and fixed by
> > someone else without you ever having to see it*. Do you all really love
> > doing triage work, or something?
> 
> 
> I agree. But an improvement would be for abrt gui to be able to report
> AVC denials directly to bugzilla, filed against selinux policy.

This is exactly what setroubleshoot *does*. I agree it'd be nice for
them just to be one app with a decent interface, but we work with what
we've got, not with wishes...
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
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