On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Carlos Garnacho <carlosg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi! > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Matthias Clasen <mclasen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Fri, 2017-11-10 at 11:16 +0100, Benjamin Tissoires wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> The Dell Canvas 27 has a new tool called the Totem[1]. >>> This tool is aimed at popping up a menu right around it and the user >>> can select the desired menu by turning the tool and pushing it (it >>> has >>> an embedded button). >>> >>> Microsoft has a similar one[2] known as the Surface Dial. The one >>> from >>> Microsoft works with BLE so it is possible to use it without an >>> touchscreen (from what I've seen on internet, the menu will pop up in >>> the middle of the screen). >>> >>> I think it would be good for Fedora and Gnome to support such a tool, >>> given that studios are the main target for it. >>> >>> However, this requires quite some effort in all the layers as it is a >>> new type of tool. >>> >>> I started creating a few bug trackers: >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1511846 (kernel) >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1511851 (libinput) >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1511854 (mutter) >>> >>> Feel free to clone those in the respective upstream projects. >>> >>> My guess is that we need changes in the kernel, libinput, wayland and >>> mutter. I might be wrong, please correct me if I am. >> >> Well, thats the low-level plumbing. It can certainly be done for f28. > > Certainly better than "entirely undone", I'm all for setting f28 as a > goal to lay the foundations. Yep, agree, the plumbing would be a F28 goal. > >> >> But if you want this to be useful to users, it needs some serious >> design, toolkit and application work. Those circular menus don't exist, >> and we have the paint tools we have are probably not ready for two- >> handed operation. As for the design itself, the device exports itself as a "System MultiAxis": "A collection of controls that may contain the same controls as listed in Multi-Axis Controller (Usage 0x08) and/or additional associated controls such as wheels, dials, buttons etc., for exclusive use of the System." (http://www.usb.org/developers/hidpage/HUTRR62_-_Generic_Desktop_CA_for_System_Multi-Axis_Controllers.txt) Given that the only purpose of the new addition is "for exclusive use of the System." I think we should treat it as such and only have gnome-shell/mutter handle the tool to show the menus and not have the applications deal with it. And if this is a mutter tool, there is no need to actually have two handed operations in applications. This should be discussed with designers of course. > > I guess minimal plumbing could involve the ability to open and select > across context menus. Nowhere as nifty, but probably enough to verify > the device/protocol work. Having a bare minimum would be good, indeed. I am not sure about what it would be like with the context menu, but it could be interesting as a first step. Cheers, Benjamin > > Cheers, > Carlos > _______________________________________________ > desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
