I think to get this discussion back on track I think we all need to remind ourselves that we are not shipping GNOME, nor are we shipping any of the thousand other pieces of software that we have rpms for. We are shipping the Fedora Workstation, that is our product here. So there are of course a lot of components in there which have new versions since the last release, but for our users that is an implementation detail at the end of the day. So what we want to do here is decide on how to build the identity and brand of the Fedora Workstation, and we need to start with defining what our goals with that effort is. Once we have those goals we can look into which pieces of software needs to change to accommodate those goals and those pieces might come from a long range of upstream projects be that bash, plymouth, GNOME, grub and so on and so forth. I realize that it is hard to completely decouple the principle discussion with the implementation details, which is why so many times in the past we managed to derail ourselves into endless flamewars about where to put a logo and how big it should be, but if we want to fix this and avoid revisiting this topic again and again while growing more and more frustrated, we need to agree on the overall goals here first and then work our way down the stack. So to try to make a start I think what we want on a general level is things that makes someone looking at a Fedora Workstation screen or screenshot instantly recognize it as that. The goal of that being develop a distinct Fedora Workstation identity and to ensure that every Fedora user becomes a Fedora ambassador. Christian ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bastien Nocera" <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop" <desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:19:48 AM > Subject: Re: I asked Hacker News what developers want from a desktop, and this is what they said > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > <snip> > > > We also need to be able to quantify what success would be. > > > > > > Putting the burden on GNOME, and the Fedora version of GNOME to carry all > > > the > > > branding of the distribution for Fedora Workstation is unfair, IMO. > > > > Well GNOME is providing us with the 'face' of the distribution, so for > > better > > or > > worse it is where such things naturally would go. Its kinda like how > > putting > > a tattoo > > on your skin has a lot bigger impact on peoples perception or idea about > > you > > than what > > brand of hip replacement you have, even though a hip replacement surgery is > > a > > ton more intrusive > > than getting a tattoo. > > And adding a tattoo can look good or really ugly depending on where it is. I > think we should look into changing clothes and our accessories before > branding > permanently. > > > > Having a Fedora blue hue to the default shell-prompt is likely more > > > recognisable > > > and more generally useful a downstream change than the boot logo. See how > > > well the Linux tux logo is recognised as the airplane media centre sign > > > for > > > failure. > > I agree with this, that branding doesn't need to be about logo slapping, > > just > > figuring > > out design elements that makes us individually recognizable from others. So > > for instance > > an idea I had was that instead of slapping a logo on the activities bar > > somewhere, maybe > > something subtler like a faint background swirl along it would be more > > effective and > > less in your face. That is just a random idea though, not a demand from me > > that is the > > final solution. > > That's a refreshing (and soothing) stance. > _______________________________________________ > desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
