Re: I asked Hacker News what developers want from a desktop, and this is what they said

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> To be fair, I explicitly stated that the "logo in the header bar" idea was
> intentionally a straw-man to start a discussion. I hadn't thought of changing
> the shell chrome color, but that's certainly worth consideration.

No, the bash/zsh shell colour. This goes with:
"
Putting the burden on GNOME, and the Fedora version of GNOME to carry all the
branding of the distribution for Fedora Workstation is unfair, IMO.
"

Changing the default hostnames, colouring the shell prompt in Fedora colours
are both useful to users *and* good for the branding.

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> What I was most concerned about was that it seemed like you were coming down
> on
> the side of "Fedora should just ship GNOME however GNOME upstream wants it"
> which was ignoring Fedora's needs entirely.

Fedora's needs were never set out, which makes it really complicated to even
start working on this. What is there to work on when Fedora is just going to
make its own changes anyway, right?

> I'm quite happy to work together
> on
> figuring out how we can solve this in upstream GNOME to solve Fedora's (and
> by
> extension, other distros') needs for brand identity.
> 
> The reason we've done things downstream in the past is mostly because (as
> Christian noted) the problem isn't highly prioritized upstream, so it gets
> ignored until it becomes a fire-drill. So let's work on that; let's plan
> solve
> the Fedora 26 problem in 2016 (or really early in 2017) so it's ready to be
> implemented in time for a Spring 2017 release.

Which means it needs to be worked on now so the changes are in GNOME 3.24 for
those changes that affect GNOME. And you'll also need to convey that need to
the maintainers of other, non-GNOME, software in Fedora, so they can have their
discussions with their upstreams in the same way as we're engaging here.

Cheers
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