----- Original Message ----- > On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 10:14:57AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > In which case the problem is that we don't consult with designers, or work > > on > > that branding work upstream. Case in point, our changes to the Details > > panel > > in Settings aren't upstream, nobody tested the performance impact of the > > logo > > watermark in gnome-shell. > > I'm consuluting with designers. I don't think the designers really got consulted for that particular feature, given that the developers barely had time to get this feature in at your behest. > I do agree that we should test the impact of any changes, for > performance (if any affect), but also for overall UX and > identifiablity. Work which can only be done holistically upstream. > > It also seems bizarre to me that we would push that branding on Fedora > > Workstation, but not in other variants with a Fedora branded motd before > > login > > on the server variant for example. > > Have you looked, here? Of course Fedora Server identifies itself at the > login prompt. And the Cockpit GUI uses the Fedora Server logo. I think > there's room for improvements in this too, but the basics are there. 1 mention in GRUB, 1 mention in the login screen. In contrast, Workstation has 1 mention in GRUB, 1 in the splash screen, 1 in the login screen, 1 in the desktop wallpaper, 1 in the Details panel, 1 in Software when upgrades are available. > > Do we *actually* have a problem with Fedora being identified as such? > > In which sort of deployment do we have that problem? > > It is important to increase Fedora brand reach and recognition. A > strong visual identity is an important part of this. If you want to > phrase it in terms of a "problem", every place where there is a Fedora > deployment and it is not easily recognized as Fedora, we have that > problem. Being able to recognise Fedora from a screenshot of a maximised application on a GNOME 3 desktop would go counter to what we've been trying to achieve with GNOME 3. > > We already have branding in GRUB, in plymouth, in gdm, in the default > > wallpaper, > > in the Details panel. I'd rather we sent our stickers for laptop covers, > > and > > Windows keys, and toned down the branding on other parts of the OS, as well > > as > > investigated other possible branding (changing the default hostname, and > > .local > > name seem like no-brainer with no performance impact, and greater reach). > > Although it's not nothing, branding which is only shown briefly at boot > and when not logged in does not contribute strongly to the visual > identity. Then you agree with Stephen and I that we should drop the Fedora plymouth branding. Great, I filed a bug about that: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392836 > Branding in the "details" panel, though, is arguably > *worse* than nothing, as it sends the signal that Fedora is merely > that, a "detail". Huh? This is where information about the system is. > And I think we already agreed that nobody likes the > wallpaper overlay. Great, let's get rid of that too then. > I'm all for investigating possibilities, especially ones which have no > performance impact and reach. We should do everything we can, and we > certainly *do* provides stickers and other Fedora swag. We need to work > on the contrbutions of the desktop visual appearance to our brand > identity as well. I think that being the best GNOME Workstation distributor would go a long way towards making Fedora the de facto choice for GNOME use, and that would likely be more effective than slapping non-upstream logos in places. _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
