On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 09:34:29AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2016-02-17 at 10:17 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A few months ago we discussed my proposal to disable PulseAudio flat > > volumes, as it results in applications setting system volume to 100%, > > which at best is loud and annoying, and at worst is bad for your ears > > if you're using headphones; I've had to train myself to avoid this > > issue by adjusting my headphones' volume with a hardware slider and > > always leaving the OS volume at 100%, which is a terrible user > > experience. > > > > When last discussed, the working group agreed to ask the PulseAudio > > developers about the issue, without requiring any changes. Since > > then, > > the developers agreed on a solution to fix this problem without > > disabling flat volumes, but the solution has not been implemented > > yet. > > I'm concerned it will not be implemented in time for F24. Due to the > > severity of the issue, I propose we require flat volumes to be > > temporarily disabled in Fedora 24 and future Fedora releases until > > the > > issue has been fixed. > > > > We were planning to vote on this at the working group meeting today, > > but ran out of time, so working group members should vote here. I am > > obviously +1. > > > > This issue is tracked here: > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267 > > > > That sort of whiplash (disabling something 'temporarily' only to bring > it back next release) is generally frustrating to all sides. The flat > volume haters will rejoice when we turn it off now and upset when we > bring it back later. The flat volume proponents will have the opposite > reaction. And everybody else will just shake their head and think "they > have no idea what they're doing". > > Since we've been living with flat volume's warts for so long, I would > suggest to wait for the PA fixes. The central issue, sudden and potentially damagingly loud volume for users, bears more weight for me than being used to flat volumes. Even if we were certain the issue would be fixed for F25, I'd feel better saving users' hearing even in the short run, so I'm +1. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
