On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:06:18AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 12:54:19PM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > I agree with Paul, I don't think all of this needs to be finished for > > the alpha release, but I do think there needs to be some substantial > > and testable implementation for the features we decide are blockers, > > even if the results of those tests are "it's not working very well." > > > > I propose that we revisit any issues that we agree are blockers, and > > make our go/no-go decision at the last WG meeting before the alpha > > freeze -- that is, two weeks from today -- based on the progress of any > > hero development that occurs before then. > > > > If we decide to go, then I propose we use the standard blocker bug > > process to track unfinished blocker issues as automatic *beta* release > > blockers using the standard blocker process, and simply delay F24 beta > > until they are done. It's time to eliminate uncertainty and set clear > > expectations early on for what we will be releasing. This will > > incentivize developers to treat Wayland issues (such as the shrinking > > gnome-terminal) more seriously. > > I think our use of the word "blocker" has taken on a meaning I didn't > originally intend. This whole discussion was intended to be about > go/no-go for switching the default session to Wayland. It is not > about blocking the F24 release. > > But otherwise, I do think we should be considering each accessibility > feature on the basis of whether it is a regression from X behavior. > We shouldn't block the default session switch on a non-working a11y > feature which also didn't work properly in X. > > > El mié, 17-02-2016 a las 11:45 -0500, Paul W. Frields escribió: > > > * Tablet support and protocols > > > (I take it this is "~equivalent set to what we handle now in > > > GNOME") > > > > -1 blocker, only a small minority of users need Wacom tablets, and they > > can skip one release. I don't think we'll be dinged too badly for this. > > If we're talking about iPad-style tablets (I think we're talking about > > Wacom tablets), then that would be an even smaller minority of users. > > Just Wacom AIUI, but keep in mind that a number of tablet-notebook > hybrids present their touchscreens as Wacom devices. correct, in the context of Wayland/GNOME/etc. the term tablet refers to a graphics/drawing tablet. A side-note here: touchscreens work already, the missing feature here is support for the stylus tools. Cheers, Peter > > > > * Input methods > > > (Needs a fix for positioning the chooser apparently?) > > > > As we discussed at the meeting, this is already testable in rawhide, so > > we don't need to vote on it. Rui is on top of the one remaining issue. > > This seems to be on track. > > > > > * On screen keyboard > > > (This seems on a good trajectory from what Matthias said, but > > > doesn't hurt to include.) > > > > +1 blocker > > > > > * Accessibility features > > > (Michael Catanzaro mentioned a set of these taken from > > > <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wayland_features#accessibility_feat > > > ures>. > > > However, the outlook seems not good, and IMHO we need a better > > > story > > > for a11y users.) > > > > +1 blocker for the features listed on that page: sticky keys, slow > > keys, bounce keys, sound keys, visual bell, hover-to-click. Kendell, > > are there any other a11y features we should block on? Consider that we > > don't seem to have any developers who are experienced with a11y. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com > -- > desktop mailing list > desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
