On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 09:00:47AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 11:35 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > > > Our need to exert our brand certainly isn't decreasing whether or not > > there are places to demonstrate our identity in GNOME. In fact, yes, it > > is increasing, but it's intentional, not some sort of "slippery slope". > > The Fedora Workstation effort as part of Fedora.next is a specific > > choice we've made as a project to work on and showcase stronger > > branding. > > Let me be blunt: before we 'exert our brand' any more, maybe it is > worthwhile to investigate briefly what connotations the wider public > actually has with the Fedora brand. > > I can make some guesses: > > - Bleeding edge > - Broken updates > - Selinux breakage > - Slipped release dates > > Maybe we should spend less time debating where to put the logo, and more > time on how to turn those perceptions around ? The above problems actually are being actively worked on, via development like new Bodhi, taskotron, etc. So I hope the people working on those things aren't going to feel undervalued by the above comments. As for slipped release dates, to be fair they're almost always due to our higher quality release criteria which goes directly to combatting the "bleeding edge" reputation. Certainly the fact that numerous reviews have called the F21 Alpha as or more stable than some distro final releases (yes, including some Fedora releases) is not lost? I would really like to see some brand expertise involved that could help us better define the problem. To me that problem isn't "where do we put the logo" but "How do we ensure that people know what they're seeing/running". -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
