On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:40:54PM +0000, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > Absolutely. We want to align technology and effort with upstream as > > best we can, but our goals (and therefore needs) aren't dictated by > > upstream, and sometimes they will diverge. A _cosmetic_ change like > > this isn't a big divergence in any way ??? but *is* a big deal for > > Fedora. > What I find troubling is that every few months there is this whole > branding debate driven by a 'this is Fedora, our needs are different > from upstream' ideology. Once it was the login screen, then it was > the logo in 'about' or Settings -> Details, and now it is about the > default shell chrome. I don't think that's a fair representation of the trajectory. The Fedora logo was in all of those places in previous Fedora release, including prominently in the toolbar — the "chrome". Our need for that hasn't gone down; the change is that these brand identity points have gone away upstream. That's where the idea that needs are different comes from — it's not meant to be an antagonist or divisive ideology, just a reflection of what seems to be reality. And, we have different defaults from many upstream projects we build the distribution from and around, so I don't really quite see why it is such a hot topic. > I find it troubling that Fedora's need to exert its brand is > increasing so quickly, and the lack of acknowledgement that such > needs have been granted so far. > Beginning to look like a slippery slope. "Needs have been granted" probably isn't the best wording. Our need to exert our brand certainly isn't decreasing whether or not there are places to demonstrate our identity in GNOME. In fact, yes, it is increasing, but it's intentional, not some sort of "slippery slope". The Fedora Workstation effort as part of Fedora.next is a specific choice we've made as a project to work on and showcase stronger branding. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
