Stephen Gallagher píše v Pá 12. 09. 2014 v 08:39 -0400: > On 09/12/2014 08:27 AM, Donald Buchan wrote: > > I suspect that while the technical merits of removing LO from a > > default install have their place (ie. large image size, quicker > > downloads, less update server load, it can be easily discovered in > > and installed from the repos, there are popular alternatives like > > cloud suites and alternatives, etc. etc. etc.) it's a major set of > > packages, *for me*, and I suspect for a significant proportion of > > users, even if a minority (in which case I concede that that would > > be a further reason to consider its removal.) > > From my perspective, the point of offering a Live Media instead of a > pure installer is so that people can run Fedora and do something > actually useful on it without having to clobber their existing system > at first. (The try-before-you-buy scenario) > > We really need to figure out (ideally through user testing), what are > the tasks that people would want to do before they install Fedora to > their local system. I'd strongly argue that the most basic set of > tasks would be: > > 1) Browse the internet > 2) Check my email > 3) Read/Write office documents > 4) Use instant messaging (Google Hangouts, Facebook messenger) > > For Fedora contributors, I might also add > 4) Connect to IRC LibreOffice was not included in the desktop spin until Fedora 19 (?) and I remember the cries from users that one of the most used programs was not included in the default installation. Although I do see the technical merits of removing LibreOffice I still think that most users consider it as a part of basic software selection that should be pre-installed. Any ideas how other distributions handle this? Whether Ubuntu, openSUSE, Mageia... have LibreOffice pre-installed? Jiri -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop