On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:49:49AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:09:59 +0100 > Richard Hughes <hughsient@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > The fact we're even considering asking the question "which DE do we > > want to use for workstation" is just crazy. I think we're kidding > > ourselves if we want to try and answer that question honestly when the > > biggest backer of the project by several orders of magnitude has > > several hundred engineers working full time on GNOME and lower parts > > of the stack that GNOME uses. If I remember correctly, we have about > > two employees on all of KDE, and one on XFCE. None on LXDE. None on > > MATE. Fedora may be a community distro, but without the backing of Red > > Hat, it wouldn't be viable at all. When there's a Fedora release > > blocker that needs a few days of developer time, who do you think > > picks up the tab? I think that's probably an important thing to > > understand before damaging the relationship any further on votes that > > can only result in huge flame wars and a lot of wasted time. > > > > Richard [*] > > > > * Red Hat employee, but you probably knew that. > > I might be the one you are mentioning in Relation to Xfce? > > I'll note that I do work for Red Hat (and very happily so!), but my job > is to keep Fedora Infrastructure running along smoothly, not Xfce > maintaining. I've (co)maintained Xfce since about 2005, long before I > worked for Red Hat, and do so as time permits. So, you can't really > count me as 'full time working on Xfce'. > > In any case, I agree with you here, as well as Christian's later post > today on vision. I think gnome should be the default offering, but we > should provide ways for savvy folks or those who aren't happy > with Gnome to switch to other available desktops if they wish. (With > the understanding that it's best effort, and Gnome will likely be more > active). People who know what desktop they prefer can use that, and > folks who have no idea what the various desktops mean can try our > default offering. Just to clarify, I think the idea of "default offering" is not something onto which we tack three additional products (Cloud, Server, Workstation). The idea of the Workstation, AIUI, is to provide a Fedora product that could conceivably take the place of the current default offering. > In any case I think we should move on from this discussion and on to > more interesting discussion of what f21's workstation will look like. Hear, hear! > Looking forward to what you all will come up with. ;) Thanks for the input and for the interest. I am too, and plan to participate constructively here with the WG members. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
