Hi Stephen, Thanks for the feedback. 1) As for steam. It is in there as it is something we expect to get resolved through the 3rd party software solution. If that part falls through I guess we can edit it out, but if we manage to resolve the 3rd party issue in a positive manner then I don't think it is to much of a stretch to assume a lot of CS students like to play some games on their system from time to time. 2) Once we have it up on the wiki I will take another look at this paragraph and revise it again. Maybe also you and Josh who are native English speakers could help me nail it down. 3) Correct, lets edit that too once we have the wiki in place 4) Yeah, or we turn the Software installer into a browser app ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Gallagher" <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> To: desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:14:18 PM Subject: Re: [Proposal for Vote] Approve Draft 6 of the PRD -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/21/2014 12:04 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Peter Robinson > <pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Josh Boyer >> <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Matthias Clasen >>> <mclasen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 2014-01-20 at 09:09 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Jens Petersen >>>>> <petersen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> Overall I think the PRD is well written and I can live >>>>>> with it in its current form. >>>>> >>>>> OK, so right now I have the following votes: >>>>> >>>>> Jens +1 Lukáš +1 Owen +1 Christian +1 Kalev (no vote) >>>>> Christoph (no vote) Matthias (no vote) Ryan (no vote) Josh >>>>> (no vote) >>>>> >>>>> I've been holding off on casting a vote for the time being >>>>> because I want the WG to drive decisions as much as >>>>> possible without the liaison deciding things. So, if the >>>>> remaining 4 of you could vote that would be good. This is >>>>> actually due to FESCo today, but I sent the call for votes >>>>> one day too late. Remember, non-votes turn into implicit >>>>> abstains after tomorrow and the votes required to pass are >>>>> adjusted accordingly. >>>> >>>> I'm sorry - I was snowed under other stuff, and this just >>>> didn't make it to the top of the pile in time: My vote, if it >>>> still counts: +1 >>> >>> It does, thanks. I'll close the call for votes at end of >>> business today. At that point I'll get the PRD on the wiki and >>> I'll send it to FESCo. >> >> End of business what timezone? > > Good question. I'll just say: > > 22:00 UTC Jan 21 2014. > So, I've been reading through the PRD in my FESCo capacity (presuming that this draft is what is being submitted for approval at tomorrow's meeting). Concerns: * Target Audience 1: Student * While I certainly would hope that we can support Steam (I assume that's the stealth requirement there), it seems like a divergence from the rest of the targets. If this is something the product wants to focus on, I suspect it should be a separate Target Audience: Video Game Players. * To me, a student target should really imply a closely-integrated development environment (particularly built around a set of common and simple tools, such as Eclipse and DevAssistant). * Other Users: * I'd make it clear that this is a non-exhaustive list of things that are not being directly targeted (though as noted they will benefit indirectly. Right now it almost reads to me as "We almost forgot to mention this stuff, but it's a priority too!" I realize this is a bit of a flame-war in the discussions, but if you try to be everything for everyone, you'll be stuck in the same limbo that Fedora is in today. * Robust Upgrades: * I suspect this is a phrasing problem, but this doesn't read properly to me. Upgrades should be the same as an original install? I suspect what is meant here is something along the lines of: "If I install with the updates repo enabled, my system should be no different than if I installed from the initial release and ran 'yum update' (except for user data). * 3rd Party Software: * If this can be worked out with the Fedora Advisory Board and the lawyers, great. My +1 to this segment is contingent on that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlLe4yoACgkQeiVVYja6o6N7EwCeLZRQN85U6dgSEwx/uGTa4ixs EuYAn0I0vk07Zk6nUzj0IJ8lYnq1Clwh =4oo0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop