On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 22:42 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 25.11.13 09:23, Adam Williamson (awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > > On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 13:59 +0100, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller > > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > First of all apologize for this taking so long, I ended up traveling > > > non-stop for some time visiting some of Red Hats desktop customers. > > > While not directly tied to the work of this working group I do hope to > > > take some of the lessons learned from those meetings with me into the > > > future work of the working group. > > > > > > Anyway I tried editing the PRD a bit based on the feedback we got on the > > > first draft. I tried to make a few items a bit clearer and also to > > > include spelling fixes contributed and so on. > > > > > > We probably want to do another WG meeting soon to discuss next steps. > > > > > > Feel free to let me know if I forgot to include some important feedback > > > or if further clarifications are needed. > > > > "Upgrading the system multiple times through the upgrade process should > > give a result that is the same as an original install of Fedora > > Workstation." > > > > Based on my experience (>10 years of it, with multiple distributions and > > OSes), this is an incredibly ambitious goal. It may in fact be entirely > > unachievable as written. I'm not aware of a single operating system in > > existence which actually achieves this. Even cellphone manufacturers - > > who have a very clearly-defined single piece of hardware to deal with, > > and a much smaller set of software and use cases to worry about than we > > have - don't achieve this. I'm really not sure it should be front and > > centre in a foundational document without some really convincing > > evidence that it's even vaguely achievable. > > Oh, you can certainly achieve this. You just need to depart from the > holy grail of RPM upgrading and updated the OS as one image, and detach > the apps from the OS instead of considering them part of the OS. It must be lots of fun to live in a world where there are Apps and there is an OS and a nice simple line we can draw and ne'er the twain shall meet, but I don't think Fedora is ever going to be such a world, and even if it was, I'm not sure it achieves the objective stated in the text. You still have to deal with configuration updates, for instance. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
