On Tue 19 Mar 2013 08:34:02 AM EDT, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On Tue 19 Mar 2013 07:28:27 AM EDT, Allan Day wrote: >> A bit of background: >> >> The change during the 3.8 cycle was based on a couple of factors. >> First, the logo interfered with the layout of the login screen: it's a >> prominent visual presence that creates another anchor point which >> conflicts with the other elements on the screen (ie. it is >> horizontally centered, which clashes with the anchor points in the >> user list). Second, the logo was felt to be a distracting presence. >> We've made an effort to make sure that the most important elements are >> the most visually prominent, and we want the primary interaction >> points to be the ones that jump out at you. The logo was a strong >> visual presence placed above the user list: this drew the eye to it, >> making it the first thing you saw, and distracted you from the parts >> of the screen that are actually useful to the user (ie. the user >> list). Third and finally, having the logo in its previous position >> limited the size to which the user list could grow when there are a >> large number of users. >> >> My preference is to focus the user interface on providing the best >> user experience possible. That means prioritising the things that >> people need to use, reducing distraction and making the UI look great. >> The addition of a logo diminishes the user experience along each of >> these dimensions. >> >> The proposal to replace the logo with a simple string in the top-left >> hand corner is intended to mitigate the negative impact of including a >> logo while retaining a visual reference to the distributor. However, >> the usability issue that Ryan brought up is a valid concern about this >> proposal. >> >> It has been suggested that not including the logo somehow weakens >> distributions' ability to brand their products. My view is that this >> is not the case. Branding is not the practice of slapping logos onto >> products. Instead, it is the attempt to instill and promote positive >> associations with the brand. The best way to do that, in my opinion, >> is to make the user experience as good as it can possibly be. If you >> diminish the user experience through the addition of a logo, then you >> actually harm the brand: you make the product worse, and in the >> process you make it less likely that people will think good things >> about your brand. > > I suppose we are at a complete impasse then; to me it is completely > unacceptable to completely debrand the operating system. You do realize > there are usability implications with that - namely, people don't even > know what they are running in order to obtain help with it or even > identify the type of system they are using. > > You have basically posed here that there is no way you will accept a > logo on the login screen. How is a compromise possible then? http://macservicesact.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/New-Mac-OS-X-Lion-Login-Screen.jpg I've never seen this screen before, and I am dismayingly stricken by the similarly except for the fact that Apple has given their logo an approximately 50 x 50 px presence centered above the user login dialog. ~m -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
