>> The bug is here https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636655. >> And discussion is still open. > > Probably needs a different bug open upstream explaining the problem, > then, since the massive ellipsization problem the bug references seems > to be fixed, AFAICT. The ellipsization problem is fixed but this "fix" as a design solution is still disussed there. I can file a new bug on this, but I am afraid it will be closed as a duplicate or notabug feature. Bug or not, this problem exists in current Gnome desktop. And changing gnome-shell theme is the only workaround we have. >> - fonts >> Default fonts are bad for non-english speaking users, who work with >> non-Latin characters. >> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695405 still open. > > Fair enough, the Cantarell font is missing some glyph coverage. Why > not organize a team to help extend that, since it would be more useful > globally? Perhaps there's already a move afoot for this, because > certainly the same can be said of Asian languages. Again, even this is a bug, it exists in current Gnome desktop, and there is no hope that it will be fixed before F15 release. And gnome-tweak-tool provides the only workaround for Asian, Russian and other not so small communities. >> I want to emphasize that changing default settings is not an >> exceptional use-case for F15 Gnome users. It is a normal thing which >> will be used very often. > > What measurements do you have to support this assertion? If the four issues listed don't make it evident for you, I want to reformulate this question as follows: What measurements will you be satisfied with? I have a number of people I talked with directly, IRC logs from both #fedora-qa and #gnome-shell channels, maillist discussions, forum threads, blog posts, deviant-art group and Google Search results. I can calculate the number of non-english speaking users also. How many links should I provide? Or should we organize some public voting? >> b) add gnome-tweaks-tool to the default @gnome-desktop group of >> packages, put it on Live images and so on >> Probably add gnome-shell user-theme extension package by default also. > > This tool should only be useful for a small subset of the people > expected to use GNOME 3 and Fedora 15. What measurements do you have to support this assertion? To make this clear, i am not a developer or packager, and I have no rights to decide if package is ready or not to be shipped by default. This was my suggestion, if you have any ideas, please, welcome. My point here is: stop hiding the customization problem and stop hiding from customization problem, start to work on it. Look at the patches provided and give comments on them. Users are not all stupid and useless and don't getting the Very Important Gnome Idea just because they want to change the color of the top bar. I do know that being "non-customizable" has always been the feature of the Gnome desktop. I've used Gnome for 6 years because of this feature. But during all these years I could change the theme of window titlebar to Mist and the color of the panel to transparent. This was the desktop I loved. Being loyal to Gnome 3 I didn't list here all these "move the clocks to the right", "add dock", "put smth into tray", "where is my taskbar" and other user comments I noticed. Because Gnome 3 has its logic and reasons and I understand it. I'm not against the Gnome ideas, I am trying to make them better. -- Best regards, Aleksandra Bookwar -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
