On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 18:47 +0000, "JÃhann B. GuÃmundsson" wrote: > >> Have the installation issues been cleaned out? > > I don't know. as Bruno said, the intention is for the testing to be > > possible (almost) entirely without installation, and that should be the > > case. > > Of course those that are using USB Flash drive can create one with > persistent storage to get a closer to actual install behaviour but we > loose any early Gnome Shell adopters which might shed light on some > usage bugs that the test case don't cover which you only find by an > actual usage. Sure. There's nothing we can do about that as the desktop team / QA team, though. Really all you're saying is 'I wish the anaconda team would fix the installer faster', it has nothing in particular to do with this test day or with GNOME in general. > I'm pretty sure alot of bugs filed against Gnome components will be > related to UI Designs decisions rather than actual code breakage by > reporters I have added several warnings to the Wiki page to try and avoid this, take a look. > for instance somehow the UI Designers forgot all about those > that close the lid and leave the computer on for download or are forced > to close the lid in class when the teacher or professors ask them too > and then need to get immediately back on to type something down thus > cant wait for suspend/resume time/breakage which is a *Design feature* > as Richard mention on his blog "In GNOME 3.0, weâre defaulting to > suspending the computer when the user shuts the lid, and not providing > any preferences combobox to change this. This is what the UI designers > for GNOME 3.0 want " I for example would file a bug against this. Please start a new thread about this, I'd rather not derail the test day discussion. (FWIW, I agree with you to a degree: I do not want to suspend my laptop when it's plugged into the mains and I close the screen. I just do it to keep things tidy on my desk, and to turn off the panel to save a bit of power and not uselessly run the panel and reduce its lifespan and potentially cause screen burn. You will be able to configure this from dconf, though, I'm guessing. I'd say it'd be perfectly legitimate for people to file a bug on this, actually. I don't think the design has been well thought through, if it applies when on AC as well as when on battery power.) > Another example of a potential bug or a *Design feature* is when you go > to system settings --> User Account and you create a new user and are > forced to choose the login name for the user from a list of user names > based on the full name you enter for the user or is this an actual bug > that you cannot type whatever username you like for the user? Bug vs > Design battle. .. . As I advise on the page, the best thing to do is ask in IRC before filing a bug; I'm hoping there will be a few GNOME devs around all day to help answer such questions. (If you're a Fedora / GNOME dev on this list, please do try and find some time to hang out in the channel to help with this, it'd be really useful!) > Anyway back on track we might want to downgrade smolt since it's not > working due to bug 672971 that is if smolt profile is needed ( which I > expect to ) I've fixed this (applied jlaska's fix and pushed a fixed build through to Rawhide), so it should make the test day image. > another thing was mentioned on our QA IRC from a reporter > was a lack of IRC client in current Gnome Live but I think the reporter > did not realize that you can do irc with empathy. Yup. > Reporters have already begun jump starting the test day > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-02-03_GNOME3_Alpha#cite_note-11 > and reported some early birds bugs. Indeed, which is great, but I hope they all come back and test again when the full test case set is up! I've written two new test cases so far: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_generic_video_glx https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_gnome-shell_favorites and am working on the others. If anyone wants to help out, please do: my scratch list of test cases to work on is http://fpaste.org/N8si/ . please just find me on IRC to co-ordinate and make sure we don't duplicate effort, and the test cases are clean and added correctly to the test day page. thanks! > We also need to have any updates to current packages present as updates > tomorrow and not just be on specifically composed test day LiveCD to > prevent/reduce any duplication and reports of bugs that may already be > fixed it's always better that reporters are testing as close to the same > bits.. yup, that's below getting the live image right on my priority list, though - I anticipate most people will test using the live image, it's usually the case, especially before we have an Alpha out. I'll try and have instructions on the page for installing all necessary updates that don't make it into tonight's Rawhide compose. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
