On 19/04/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 19/04/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Dotan Cohen wrote: >> > On 18/04/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > [K]ubuntu had always had the goal of being simple for new users, a >> > goal that I understand is not on Fedora's priority agenda. >> >> Your understanding is wrong. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives > > Nowhere in that document is it even implied that Fedora should be > simple for new users. The closest that I found was this: > "To emphasize usability and a "just works" philosophy in default > configurations and feature designs." ... which automatically makes it simple for *everyone* including new users. It would be nice if you could drop having a argument just for the sake of it.
Until end users can click on an mp3 file, and keep clicking dialogs until it plays (with no googling/searching/reading and no prior knowledge) then Fedora will not be simple for new users. Additionally, I didn't think that Fedora wanted to get to that point until I saw CodecBuddy. Rahul, please stop thinking that I am arguing for the sake of it. I am pointing out weaknesses and other traits in my favorite Linux distro and I have been not once used argumentive terms, agression, nor insulting remarks. I am not arguing, rather, I am presenting a case.
You expressed a opinion that we need to drop creating live images which we are not going to do for reasons explained earlier.
Obviously I don't want the LiveCD project to be dropped. But I emphasize the need to consider it's impact. When a general turns down a plan for arresting a terrorist, do I think that he does not want the terrorist arrested? Obviously not. But he has concerns regarding the planned execution of the mission and stresses the importance of certain aspects. It's not personal, and it's certainly not an argument.
You also feel that new users might get scared because people might come across a Fedora live image and try it out. I am not sure we can or need to avoid that. Anything else?
We cannot avoid that, therefore we must ensure that the LiveCD does not deter them. Do you disagree with that? If so (and you have every right to disagree) then please tell me how it would benefit Fedora if new users try the LiveCD, find it impossible to do what they need, and write off Linux (not just Fedora) as impossible to use. That is not a one-in-a-million hypothetical situation. I would imagine (this is not based upon research) that a large (over 10 or even 20 percent) of downloads would be for this purpose. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/3g.html http://dotancohen.com/eng/online_casino_gambling.php -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list
