On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 05:16:28AM +0900, Hector Martin wrote: > And what I see, is very little effort to improve that status quo, or at > least very little that yields any actual change that isn't just > band-aids (e.g. tooling like b4, which is nice and appreciated, but > doesn't fix any underlying issues). And that's not going to change no > matter how many long technical arguments we have on the MLs (or even off > MLs, since MLs are also not particularly good for this, and I've seen > multiple arguments only reach a resolution after being redirected to IRC).