Hi Thorne, The idea is quite simple. By retesting the leak with a separate pool, used by nobody except you, in the case if the leak exists and is reproducible (which is not a given), you can definitely pinpoint it without giving any chance to the alternate hypothesis "somebody wrote some data in parallel". And then, even if the leak is small but reproducible, one can say that multiple such events accumulated to 10 TB of garbage in the original pool. On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 7:29 PM Thorne Lawler <thorne@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Alexander, > > I'm happy to create a new pool if it will help, but I don't presently see > how creating a new pool will help us to identify the source of the 10TB > discrepancy in this original cephfs pool. > > Please help me to understand what you are hoping to find...? > On 20/03/2024 6:35 pm, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > > Thorne, > > That's why I asked you to create a separate pool. All writes go to the > original pool, and it is possible to see object counts per-pool. > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 6:32 AM Thorne Lawler <thorne@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Alexander, >> >> Thank you, but as I said to Igor: The 5.5TB of files on this filesystem >> are virtual machine disks. They are under constant, heavy write load. There >> is no way to turn this off. >> On 19/03/2024 9:36 pm, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >> >> Hello Thorne, >> >> Here is one more suggestion on how to debug this. Right now, there is >> uncertainty on whether there is really a disk space leak or if >> something simply wrote new data during the test. >> >> If you have at least three OSDs you can reassign, please set their >> CRUSH device class to something different than before. E.g., "test". >> Then, create a new pool that targets this device class and add it to >> CephFS. Then, create an empty directory on CephFS and assign this pool >> to it using setfattr. Finally, try reproducing the issue using only >> files in this directory. This way, you will be sure that nobody else >> is writing any data to the new pool. >> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 5:40 PM Igor Fedotov <igor.fedotov@xxxxxxxx> <igor.fedotov@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hi Thorn, >> >> given the amount of files at CephFS volume I presume you don't have >> severe write load against it. Is that correct? >> >> If so we can assume that the numbers you're sharing are mostly refer to >> your experiment. At peak I can see bytes_used increase = 629,461,893,120 >> bytes (45978612027392 - 45349150134272). With replica factor = 3 this >> roughly matches your written data (200GB I presume?). >> >> >> More interestingly is that after file's removal we can see 419,450,880 >> bytes delta (=45349569585152 - 45349150134272). I could see two options >> (apart that someone else wrote additional stuff to CephFS during the >> experiment) to explain this: >> >> 1. File removal wasn't completed at the last probe half an hour after >> file's removal. Did you see stale object counter when making that probe? >> >> 2. Some space is leaking. If that's the case this could be a reason for >> your issue if huge(?) files at CephFS are created/removed periodically. >> So if we're certain that the leak really occurred (and option 1. above >> isn't the case) it makes sense to run more experiments with >> writing/removing a bunch of huge files to the volume to confirm space >> leakage. >> >> On 3/18/2024 3:12 AM, Thorne Lawler wrote: >> >> Thanks Igor, >> >> I have tried that, and the number of objects and bytes_used took a >> long time to drop, but they seem to have dropped back to almost the >> original level: >> >> * Before creating the file: >> o 3885835 objects >> o 45349150134272 bytes_used >> * After creating the file: >> o 3931663 objects >> o 45924147249152 bytes_used >> * Immediately after deleting the file: >> o 3935995 objects >> o 45978612027392 bytes_used >> * Half an hour after deleting the file: >> o 3886013 objects >> o 45349569585152 bytes_used >> >> Unfortunately, this is all production infrastructure, so there is >> always other activity taking place. >> >> What tools are there to visually inspect the object map and see how it >> relates to the filesystem? >> >> >> Not sure if there is anything like that at CephFS level but you can use >> rados tool to view objects in cephfs data pool and try to build some >> mapping between them and CephFS file list. Could be a bit tricky though. >> >> On 15/03/2024 7:18 pm, Igor Fedotov wrote: >> >> ceph df detail --format json-pretty >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Thorne Lawler - Senior System Administrator >> *DDNS* | ABN 76 088 607 265 >> First registrar certified ISO 27001-2013 Data Security Standard ITGOV40172 >> P +61 499 449 170 >> >> _DDNS >> >> /_*Please note:* The information contained in this email message and >> any attached files may be confidential information, and may also be >> the subject of legal professional privilege. _If you are not the >> intended recipient any use, disclosure or copying of this email is >> unauthorised. _If you received this email in error, please notify >> Discount Domain Name Services Pty Ltd on 03 9815 6868 to report this >> matter and delete all copies of this transmission together with any >> attachments. / >> >> >> -- >> Igor Fedotov >> Ceph Lead Developer >> >> Looking for help with your Ceph cluster? 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