Re: SMB and ceph question

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Actually, that is exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks.

Ian

On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 3:31 PM Federico Lucifredi <federico@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Not exactly what you asked, but just to make sure you are aware, there is
> a project delivering Windows native Ceph drivers. If performance is an
> issue, these are going to outperform anything you could ever do with SMB —
> at the tradeoff of maintaining one more driver on your client side.
>
> https://docs.ceph.com/en/latest/install/windows-install/
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> Ironically, the Windows drivers are presently faster than the
> corresponding Linux drivers.
>
> Best -F
>
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> On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 6:25 PM Bailey Allison <ballison@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> That is most likely possible but the difference in performance from doing
>> CephFS + Samba compared to RBD + Ceph iSCSI + Windows SMB would probably be
>> extremely noticeable in a not very good way.
>>
>> As Wyll mentioned recommended way is to just share out SMB on top of an
>> exisitng CephFS mount (also is how NFS is done within Ceph but through FUSE
>> within dashboard) With CephFS + Samba you can also make use of Windows ACLs
>> assuming you have an Active Directory to take advantage of and can get true
>> Windows permissions with CephFS. It can also be clustered together using
>> CTDB.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bailey
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Ian Kaufman <ikaufman@xxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: October 27, 2022 6:36 PM
>> >To: Wyll Ingersoll <wyllys.ingersoll@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Cc: ceph-users <ceph-users@xxxxxxx>
>> >Subject:  Re: SMB and ceph question
>> >
>> >Would it be plausible to have Windows DFS servers mount the Ceph cluster
>> via iSCSI? And then share the data out in a more Windows native way?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >Ian
>> >
>> >On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 1:50 PM Wyll Ingersoll <
>> wyllys.ingersoll@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > No - the recommendation is just to mount /cephfs using the kernel
>> > module and then share it via standard VFS module from Samba. Pretty
>> simple.
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Christophe BAILLON <cb@xxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 4:08 PM
>> > To: Wyll Ingersoll <wyllys.ingersoll@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Cc: Eugen Block <eblock@xxxxxx>; ceph-users <ceph-users@xxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: Re:  Re: SMB and ceph question
>> >
>> > Re
>> >
>> > Ok, I thought there was a module like ganesha for the nfs to install
>> > directly on the cluster...
>> >
>> > ----- Mail original -----
>> > > De: "Wyll Ingersoll" <wyllys.ingersoll@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > À: "Eugen Block" <eblock@xxxxxx>, "ceph-users" <ceph-users@xxxxxxx>
>> > > Envoyé: Jeudi 27 Octobre 2022 15:25:36
>> > > Objet:  Re: SMB and ceph question
>> >
>> > > I don't think there is anything particularly special about exposing
>> > /cephfs (or
>> > > subdirs thereof) over SMB with SAMBA.  We've done it for years over
>> > various
>> > > releases of both Ceph and Samba.
>> > > Basically, you create a NAS server host that mounts /cephfs and run
>> > Samba on
>> > > that host.  You share whatever subdirectories you need to in the
>> > > usual
>> > way.
>> > > SMB clients mount from the Samba service and have no knowledge of
>> > > the underlying storage.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: Eugen Block <eblock@xxxxxx>
>> > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:40 AM
>> > > To: ceph-users@xxxxxxx <ceph-users@xxxxxxx>
>> > > Subject:  Re: SMB and ceph question
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > the SUSE docs [1] are not that old, they apply for Ceph Pacific.
>> > > Have you tried it yet?
>> > > Maybe the upstream docs could adapt the SUSE docs, just an idea if
>> > > there aren't any guides yet on docs.ceph.com
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>> .
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Eugen
>> > >
>> > > [1]
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>> >
>> > >
>> > > Zitat von Christophe BAILLON <cb@xxxxxxx>:
>> > >
>> > >> Hello,
>> > >>
>> > >> For a side project, we need to expose cephfs datas to legacy users
>> > >> via SMB, I don't find the official way in ceph doc to do that.
>> > >> In old suze doc I found ref to ceph-samba, but I can't find any
>> > >> informations on ceph official doc.
>> > >> We have a small cephadm dedicated cluster to do that, can you help
>> > >> me to find the best way to deploy samba on top ?
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards
>> > >>
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