Re: Worst thing that can happen if I have size= 2

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No problem. They have been around for quite some time now. Even speaking to the Ceph engineers over at supermicro while we spec'd our hardware, they agreed as well. 

[ https://www.supermicro.com/white_paper/white_paper_Ceph-Ultra.pdf | https://www.supermicro.com/white_paper/white_paper_Ceph-Ultra.pdf ] 

[ https://www.redhat.com/cms/managed-files/st-micron-ceph-performance-reference-architecture-f17294-201904-en.pdf | https://www.redhat.com/cms/managed-files/st-micron-ceph-performance-reference-architecture-f17294-201904-en.pdf ] 

[ https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/global.semi/file/resource/2020/05/redhat-ceph-whitepaper-0521.pdf | https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/global.semi/file/resource/2020/05/redhat-ceph-whitepaper-0521.pdf ] 






From: DHilsbos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
To: "adamb" <adamb@xxxxxxxxxx> 
Cc: "ceph-users" <ceph-users@xxxxxxx> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 10:57:38 AM 
Subject: RE: Worst thing that can happen if I have size= 2 

Adam; 

I'd like to see that / those white papers. 

I suspect what they're advocating is multiple OSD daemon processes per NVMe device. This is something which can improve performance. Though I've never done it, I believe you partition the device, and then create your OSD pointing at a partition. 

Thank you, 

Dominic L. Hilsbos, MBA 
Director - Information Technology 
Perform Air International Inc. 
DHilsbos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
www.PerformAir.com 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Adam Boyhan [mailto:adamb@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 8:50 AM 
To: Magnus HAGDORN 
Cc: ceph-users 
Subject:  Re: Worst thing that can happen if I have size= 2 

Isn't this somewhat reliant on the OSD type? 

Redhat/Micron/Samsung/Supermicro have all put out white papers backing the idea of 2 copies on NVMe's as safe for production. 


From: "Magnus HAGDORN" <Magnus.Hagdorn@xxxxxxxx> 
To: pseudo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Cc: "ceph-users" <ceph-users@xxxxxxx> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 4:43:08 AM 
Subject:  Re: Worst thing that can happen if I have size= 2 

On Wed, 2021-02-03 at 09:39 +0000, Max Krasilnikov wrote: 
> > if a OSD becomes unavailble (broken disk, rebooting server) then 
> > all 
> > I/O to the PGs stored on that OSD will block until replication 
> > level of 
> > 2 is reached again. So, for a highly available cluster you need a 
> > replication level of 3 
> 
> 
> AFAIK, with min_size 1 it is possible to write even to only active 
> OSD serving 
> 
yes, that's correct but then you seriously risk trashing your data 

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