Hi again,
Did some more investigating:
These are the mails I haven't received from yesterday and now:
So it could be http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030357.html that bounced, and it has an attachment.
Does that particular mail have higher spam score?
/E
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:06 PM Elias Abacioglu <elias.abacioglu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get disabled twice a month.Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional?Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out?So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want.I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently.Please help!Thanks,EliasOn Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer <chibi@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however
once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores.
Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date and
google will have similar checks:
---
X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK,
FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,
HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,
RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no
---
Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way out.
The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger
unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter.
Christian
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
>
> > Thanks Christian,
> >
> > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out
> > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed
> > to ceph-users via a gmail account.
> >
> > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the
> > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less
> > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use
> > a cloud provider).
> >
> Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below.
> Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly so
> if on M$ cloud.
>
> > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest
> > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting
> > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes...
> >
> Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know.
>
> Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments:
> ---
> When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list
> messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original
> attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments).
> However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the
> recipient can click on.
> ---
>
> Christian
>
> > Cheers,
> >
> > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer <chibi@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > You're on gmail.
> > >
> > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet
> > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these
> > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control.
> > >
> > > Because Google knows best[tm].
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
> > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from
> > >> ceph-users with the message:
> > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due
> > >> to excessive bounces..."
> > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis.
> > >>
> > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from.
> > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx and the contact
> > >> listed in Mailman (lvaz@xxxxxxxxxx) to get more info but haven't
> > >> received any response despite several attempts.
> > >>
> > >> Help!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Christian Balzer Network/Systems Engineer
> > > chibi@xxxxxxx Rakuten Communications
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Christian Balzer Network/Systems Engineer
chibi@xxxxxxx Rakuten Communications
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