On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Sage Weil <sweil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Patrick Donnelly wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:54 AM, John Spray <jspray@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:44 PM, Yan, Zheng <ukernel@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hello >> >> >> >> To simplify snapshot handling in multiple active mds setup, we changed >> >> format of snaprealm in mimic dev. >> >> https://github.com/ceph/ceph/pull/16779. >> >> >> >> The new version mds can handle old format snaprealm in single active >> >> setup. It also can convert old format snaprealm to the new format when >> >> snaprealm is modified. The problem is that new version mds can not >> >> properly handle old format snaprealm in multiple active setup. It may >> >> crash when it encounter old format snaprealm. For existing filesystem >> >> with snapshots, upgrading mds to mimic seems to be no problem at first >> >> glance. But if user later enables multiple active mds, mds may >> >> crashes continuously. No easy way to switch back to single acitve mds. >> >> >> >> I don't have clear idea how to handle this situation. I can think of a >> >> few options. >> >> >> >> 1. Forbid multiple active before all old snapshots are deleted or >> >> before all snaprealms are converted to new format. Format conversion >> >> requires traversing while whole filesystem tree. Not easy to >> >> implement. >> > >> > This has been a general problem with metadata format changes: we can >> > never know if all the metadata in a filesystem has been brought up to >> > a particular version. Scrubbing (where scrub does the updates) should >> > be the answer, but we don't have the mechanism for recording/ensuring >> > the scrub has really happened. >> > >> > Maybe we need the MDS to be able to report a complete whole-filesystem >> > scrub to the monitor, and record a field like >> > "latest_scrubbed_version" in FSMap, so that we can be sure that all >> > the filesystem metadata has been brought up to a certain version >> > before enabling certain features? So we'd then have a >> > "latest_scrubbed_version >= mimic" test before enabling multiple >> > active daemons. >> > >> > For this particular situation, we'd also need to protect against >> > people who had enabled multimds and snapshots experimentally, with an >> > MDS startup check like: >> > ((ever_allowed_features & CEPH_MDSMAP_ALLOW_SNAPS) && >> > (allows_multimds() || in.size() >1)) && latest_scrubbed_version < >> > mimic >> >> This sounds like the right approach to me. The mons should also be >> capable of performing the same test and raising a health error that >> pre-Mimic MDSs must be started and the number of actives be reduced to >> 1. > > Does scrub actually do the conversion already, though, or does that need > to be implemented? > need to be implemented Regards Yan, Zheng > sage _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
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