Re: FreeBSD port net/ceph-devel released

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On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Patrick Donnelly <pdonnell@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Willem Jan Withagen <wjw@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On 1-4-2017 21:59, Wido den Hollander wrote:
>>>
>>>> Op 31 maart 2017 om 19:15 schreef Willem Jan Withagen <wjw@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 31-3-2017 17:32, Wido den Hollander wrote:
>>>>> Hi Willem Jan,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Op 30 maart 2017 om 13:56 schreef Willem Jan Withagen
>>>>>> <wjw@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pleased to announce that my efforts to port to FreeBSD have
>>>>>> resulted in a ceph-devel port commit in the ports tree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.freshports.org/net/ceph-devel/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Awesome work! I don't touch FreeBSD that much, but I can imagine that
>>>>> people want this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Out of curiosity, does this run on ZFS under FreeBSD? Or what
>>>>> Filesystem would you use behind FileStore with this? Or does
>>>>> BlueStore work?
>>>>
>>>> Since I'm a huge ZFS fan, that is what I run it on.
>>>
>>> Cool! The ZIL, ARC and L2ARC can actually make that very fast. Interesting!
>>
>> Right, ZIL is magic, and more or equal to the journal now used with OSDs
>> for exactly the same reason. Sad thing is that a write is now 3*
>> journaled: 1* by Ceph, and 2* by ZFS. Which means that the used
>> bandwidth to the SSDs is double of what it could be.
>>
>> Had some discussion about this, but disabling the Ceph journal is not
>> just setting an option. Although I would like to test performance of an
>> OSD with just the ZFS journal. But I expect that the OSD journal is
>> rather firmly integrated.
>
> Disabling the OSD journal will never be viable. The journal is also
> necessary for transactions and batch updates which cannot be done
> atomically in FileStore.
>
> This is great work Willem. I'm especially looking forward to seeing
> BlueStore performance on a ZVol.
>
> --
> Patrick Donnelly
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