We are running flashcache in production for RBD behind OSDs since over two years now. We had a few issues with it: • one rare kernel livelock between XFS and flashcache that took some effort to track down and fix (we could release patched flashcache if there is interest) • careful tuning of skip seq threshold so cache is not tainted with deep scrub and backfilling • flashcache does not support FUA so hdd write cache has to be disabled to prevent data loss in case of power failure (results in ~5% performance drop in our case) • XFS should be formatted with forced 4kb sector • requires patching for newer kernels because it's no longer maintained Overall it allows us to get ~40% more IOPS from hdds than if we had not used it. Whether you should use it or not really depends on the use case. If your hot working set size fits in cache then it could give you a lot of performance increase. -- Tomasz Kuzemko tomasz.kuzemko@xxxxxxxxxxxx Dnia 14.02.2017 o godz. 17:25 Wido den Hollander <wido@xxxxxxxx> napisał(a): > >> Op 14 februari 2017 om 11:14 schreef Nick Fisk <nick@xxxxxxxxxx>: >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ceph-users [mailto:ceph-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dongsheng Yang >>> Sent: 14 February 2017 09:01 >>> To: Sage Weil <notifications@xxxxxxxxxx> >>> Cc: ceph-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: bcache vs flashcache vs cache tiering >>> >>> Hi Sage and all, >>> We are going to use SSDs for cache in ceph. But I am not sure which one is the best solution, bcache? flashcache? or cache >> tier? >> >> I would vote for cache tier. Being able to manage it from within Ceph, instead of having to manage X number of bcache/flashcache >> instances, appeals to me more. Also last time I looked Flashcache seems unmaintained and bcache might be going that way with talk of >> this new bcachefs. Another point to consider is that Ceph has had a lot of work done on it to ensure data consistency; I don't ever >> want to be in a position where I'm trying to diagnose problems that might be being caused by another layer sitting in-between Ceph >> and the Disk. >> >> However, I know several people on here are using bcache and potentially getting better performance than with cache tiering, so >> hopefully someone will give their views. > > I am using Bcache on various systems and it performs really well. The caching layer in Ceph is slow. Promoting Objects is slow and it also involves additional RADOS lookups. > > The benefit with bcache is that it's handled by the OS locally, see it being a extension of the page cache. > > A Fast NVM-e device of 1 to 2TB can vastly improve the performance of a bunch of spinning disks. What I've seen is that overall the I/O pattern on the disks stabilizes and has less spikes. > > Frequent reads will be cached in the page cache and less frequent by bcache. > > Running this with a few clients now for over 18 months and no issues so far. > > Starting from kernel 4.11 you can also create partitions on bcache devices which makes it very easy to use bcache with ceph-disk and thus FileStore and BlueStore. > > Wido > >> >>> >>> I found there are some CAUTION in ceph.com about cache tiering. Is cache tiering is already production ready? especially for rbd. >> >> Several people have been using it in production and with Jewel I would say it's stable. There were a few gotcha's in previous >> releases, but they all appear to be fixed in Jewel. The main reasons for the warnings now are that unless you have a cacheable >> workload, performance can actually be degraded. If you can predict that say 10% of your data will be hot and provision enough SSD >> capacity for this hot data, then it should work really well. If you data will be uniformly random or sequential in nature, then I >> would steer clear, but this applies to most caching solutions albeit with maybe more graceful degradation >> >>> >>> thanx in advance. >>> Yang >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ceph-users mailing list >>> ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ceph-users mailing list >> ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > _______________________________________________ > ceph-users mailing list > ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
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