> -----Original Message----- > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:wido@xxxxxxxx] > Sent: 14 February 2017 16:25 > To: Dongsheng Yang <dongsheng.yang@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; nick@xxxxxxxxxx > Cc: ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: bcache vs flashcache vs cache tiering > > > > Op 14 februari 2017 om 11:14 schreef Nick Fisk <nick@xxxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ceph-users [mailto:ceph-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > > Behalf Of Dongsheng Yang > > > Sent: 14 February 2017 09:01 > > > To: Sage Weil <notifications@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > Cc: ceph-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: bcache vs flashcache vs cache tiering > > > > > > Hi Sage and all, > > > We are going to use SSDs for cache in ceph. But I am not sure > > > which one is the best solution, bcache? flashcache? or cache > > tier? > > > > I would vote for cache tier. Being able to manage it from within Ceph, > > instead of having to manage X number of bcache/flashcache instances, > > appeals to me more. Also last time I looked Flashcache seems > > unmaintained and bcache might be going that way with talk of this new > > bcachefs. Another point to consider is that Ceph has had a lot of work done on it to ensure data consistency; I don't ever want to be > in a position where I'm trying to diagnose problems that might be being caused by another layer sitting in-between Ceph and the Disk. > > > > However, I know several people on here are using bcache and > > potentially getting better performance than with cache tiering, so hopefully someone will give their views. > > I am using Bcache on various systems and it performs really well. The caching layer in Ceph is slow. Promoting Objects is slow and it > also involves additional RADOS lookups. > > The benefit with bcache is that it's handled by the OS locally, see it being a extension of the page cache. > > A Fast NVM-e device of 1 to 2TB can vastly improve the performance of a bunch of spinning disks. What I've seen is that overall the > I/O pattern on the disks stabilizes and has less spikes. > > Frequent reads will be cached in the page cache and less frequent by bcache. > > Running this with a few clients now for over 18 months and no issues so far. > > Starting from kernel 4.11 you can also create partitions on bcache devices which makes it very easy to use bcache with ceph-disk and > thus FileStore and BlueStore. Thanks for the input Wido. So I assume you currently run with the Journals on separate raw SSD partitions, but post 4.11 you will allow ceph-disk to partition a single bcache device for both data and journal? Have you seen any quirks with bcache over the time you have been using it? I know when I 1st looked at it for non-ceph use a few years back it had a few gremlins hidden in it. Nick > > Wido > > > > > > > > > I found there are some CAUTION in ceph.com about cache tiering. Is cache tiering is already production ready? especially for rbd. > > > > Several people have been using it in production and with Jewel I would > > say it's stable. There were a few gotcha's in previous releases, but > > they all appear to be fixed in Jewel. The main reasons for the > > warnings now are that unless you have a cacheable workload, > > performance can actually be degraded. If you can predict that say 10% > > of your data will be hot and provision enough SSD capacity for this > > hot data, then it should work really well. If you data will be > > uniformly random or sequential in nature, then I would steer clear, > > but this applies to most caching solutions albeit with maybe more > > graceful degradation > > > > > > > > thanx in advance. > > > Yang > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ceph-users mailing list > > > ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ceph-users mailing list > > ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
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