Re: dropping old distros: el6, precise 12.04, debian wheezy?

[Jon Meacham <jomeacha@xxxxxxxxx>]

If hammer and firefly bugfix releases will still be packaged for these distros, I don't see a problem with this. Anyone who is operating an existing LTS deployment on CentOS 6, etc. will continue to receive fixes for said LTS release.

Jon

From: ceph-users on behalf of Jan “Zviratko” Schermer
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 8:29 AM
To: Sage Weil
Cc: ceph-devel, "ceph-users@xxxxxxxx"
Subject: Re: [ceph-users] dropping old distros: el6, precise 12.04, debian wheezy?

I understand your reasons, but dropping support for LTS release like this

is not right.

You should lege artis support every distribution the LTS release could have

ever been installed on - that’s what the LTS label is for and what we rely on

once we build a project on top of it

CentOS 6 in particular is still very widely used and even installed, enterprise

apps rely on it to this day. Someone out there is surely maintaining their LTS

Ceph release on this distro and not having tested packages will hurt badly.

We don’t want out project managers selecting EMC SAN over CEPH SDS

because of such uncertainty, and you should benchmark yourself to those

vendors, maybe...

Every developer loves dropping support and concentrating on the bleeding

edge interesting stuff but that’s not how it should work.

Just my 2 cents...

Jan

On 30 Jul 2015, at 15:54, Sage Weil <sweil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As time marches on it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain proper 
builds and packages for older distros.  For example, as we make the 
systemd transition, maintaining the kludgey sysvinit and udev support for 
centos6/rhel6 is a pain in the butt and eats up time and energy to 
maintain and test that we could be spending doing more useful work.

"Dropping" them would mean:

- Ongoing development on master (and future versions like infernalis and 
jewel) would not be tested on these distros.

- We would stop building upstream release packages on ceph.com for new 
releases.

- We would probably continue building hammer and firefly packages for 
future bugfix point releases.

- The downstream distros would probably continue to package them, but the 
burden would be on them.  For example, if Ubuntu wanted to ship Jewel on 
precise 12.04, they could, but they'd probably need to futz with the 
packaging and/or build environment to make it work.

So... given that, I'd like to gauge user interest in these old distros.  
Specifically,

CentOS6 / RHEL6
Ubuntu precise 12.04
Debian wheezy

Would anyone miss them?

In particular, dropping these three would mean we could drop sysvinit 
entirely and focus on systemd (and continue maintaining the existing 
upstart files for just a bit longer).  That would be a relief.  (The 
sysvinit files wouldn't go away in the source tree, but we wouldn't worry 
about packaging and testing them properly.)

Thanks!
sage
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