Re: dropping old distros: el6, precise 12.04, debian wheezy?

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Not at all.
We have this: http://ceph.com/docs/master/releases/

I would expect that whatever distribution I install Ceph LTS release on will
be supported for the time specified.
That means if I install Hammer on CentOS 6 now it will stay supported
until 3Q/2016.

Of course if in the meantime the distribution itself becomes unsupported
then it makes sense to stop supporting it for Ceph as well, but that’s
probably not the case here:

https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata

I don’t expect Ceph to be supported until EOL of the distro.

Jan



> On 30 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Handzik, Joe <joseph.t.handzik@xxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> So, essentially, you'd vote that all LTS/enterprise releases be supported until their vendor's (canonical, Suse, red hat) designated EOL date? Not voting either way, just trying to put a date stamp on some of this.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 9:30 AM, Jan “Zviratko” Schermer <zviratko@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> I understand your reasons, but dropping support for LTS release like this
>> is not right.
>> 
>> You should lege artis support every distribution the LTS release could have
>> ever been installed on - that’s what the LTS label is for and what we rely on
>> once we build a project on top of it
>> 
>> CentOS 6 in particular is still very widely used and even installed, enterprise
>> apps rely on it to this day. Someone out there is surely maintaining their LTS
>> Ceph release on this distro and not having tested packages will hurt badly.
>> We don’t want out project managers selecting EMC SAN over CEPH SDS
>> because of such uncertainty, and you should benchmark yourself to those
>> vendors, maybe...
>> 
>> Every developer loves dropping support and concentrating on the bleeding
>> edge interesting stuff but that’s not how it should work.
>> 
>> Just my 2 cents...
>> 
>> Jan
>> 
>>> On 30 Jul 2015, at 15:54, Sage Weil <sweil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As time marches on it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain proper 
>>> builds and packages for older distros.  For example, as we make the 
>>> systemd transition, maintaining the kludgey sysvinit and udev support for 
>>> centos6/rhel6 is a pain in the butt and eats up time and energy to 
>>> maintain and test that we could be spending doing more useful work.
>>> 
>>> "Dropping" them would mean:
>>> 
>>> - Ongoing development on master (and future versions like infernalis and 
>>> jewel) would not be tested on these distros.
>>> 
>>> - We would stop building upstream release packages on ceph.com for new 
>>> releases.
>>> 
>>> - We would probably continue building hammer and firefly packages for 
>>> future bugfix point releases.
>>> 
>>> - The downstream distros would probably continue to package them, but the 
>>> burden would be on them.  For example, if Ubuntu wanted to ship Jewel on 
>>> precise 12.04, they could, but they'd probably need to futz with the 
>>> packaging and/or build environment to make it work.
>>> 
>>> So... given that, I'd like to gauge user interest in these old distros.  
>>> Specifically,
>>> 
>>> CentOS6 / RHEL6
>>> Ubuntu precise 12.04
>>> Debian wheezy
>>> 
>>> Would anyone miss them?
>>> 
>>> In particular, dropping these three would mean we could drop sysvinit 
>>> entirely and focus on systemd (and continue maintaining the existing 
>>> upstart files for just a bit longer).  That would be a relief.  (The 
>>> sysvinit files wouldn't go away in the source tree, but we wouldn't worry 
>>> about packaging and testing them properly.)
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> sage
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