There is some goofy behavior with the systemd unit files that tries to make a new ceph-mgr daemon automagically appear next to the mons during a cluster upgrade: - The ceph-mon@.service triggers ceph-mgr@ to start - The ceph-mgr@.service tries to create a ceph-mgr key using whatever mon key it can find This was intended to ease the upgrade path by auto-creating ceph-mgr daemons along the way. Do we really want this? I was reminded this behavior is here because of #19994, which points out that this isn't implemented for upstart (still used by trusty 14.04). The jewel -> luminous upgrade process is currently documented here http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/release-notes/#upgrade-from-jewel-or-kraken and basically has a step that says 'verify mgr daemons are running and, if not, create some'. Is that sufficient? sage -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe ceph-devel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html