Re: 'Immutable bit' on pools to prevent deletion

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> Op 16 jan. 2015 om 15:47 heeft Sage Weil <sage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> On Fri, 16 Jan 2015, Wido den Hollander wrote:
>>> On 01/16/2015 10:50 AM, Sebastien Han wrote:
>>> Hum if I understand correctly you?re all more in favour of a conf setting in the ceph.conf;
>>> The problem for me is that this will apply to all the pools by default and I?ll have to inject an arg to change this.
>>> Injecting the arg will remove this ?lock" and then all of the sudden all the pools become deletable through the lib again (who knows what users can do simultaneously)
>> 
>> No, from what I understand it's easier to implement, not the better way.
> 
> I'd like to do both, actually.  :)
> 

Sounds good!

>>> I?m more in favour of a new flag to set to the pool, something like:
>>> 
>>> ceph osd pool set foo protect true
>>> ceph osd pool delete foo foo ?yes?.
>>> ERROR: pool foo is protected against deletion
>>> 
>>> ceph osd pool delete foo protect false
>>> ceph osd pool delete foo foo ?yes?.
>>> Pool successfully deleted
>> 
>> Something like that per pool seems better to me as well. But I'd then
>> opt for a 'feature' which can be set on a pool.
>> 
>> ceph osd pool set foo nodelete
>> ceph osd pool set foo nopgchange
>> ceph osd pool set foo nosizechange
> 
> I like this since it fits into the current flags nicely.  The downside is 
> we don't grandfather existing pools on upgrade.  Not sure if people think 
> that's a good idea.
> 
>>> The good thing with that is that owners of the pool (or admin), will be able to set this flag or remove it.
>>> We stick with the "ceph osd pool delete foo foo ?yes?.? command as well, so we don?t change too much things.
>>> 
>>> Moreover we can also make use of a config option to protect all new created pools by default:
>>> 
>>> mon protect pool default = true
>>> 
>>> This automatically set the protected flag to a new pool.
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Setting a nodelete flag or something like that by default is fine with
>> me. Like Sage mentioned earlier, almost nobody will have ephemeral pools
>> in their cluster. You don't want to loose data because you accidentally
>> removed a pool.
> 
> We should mirror this option:
> 
> OPTION(osd_pool_default_flag_hashpspool, OPT_BOOL, true)   // use new pg 
> hashing to prevent pool/pg overlap
> 
> So,
> 
> osd_pool_default_flag_nodelete = true
> osd_pool_default_flag_nopgchange = true
> osd_pool_default_flag_nosizechange = true
> 
> The big question for me is should we enable these by default in hammer?
> 

I would say yes. We should probably protect users against something stupid which makes them loose data.

Data safety is prio #1

Wido


> sage
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Wido
>> 
>>>> On 15 Jan 2015, at 18:24, Sage Weil <sage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Then secondary question is whether the cluster should implicitly clear the 
>>>> allow-delete after some time period (maybe 'pending-delete' would make 
>>>> more sense in that case), or whether we deny IO during that period.  Seems 
>>>> perhaps too complicated.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers.
>>> ???? 
>>> S?bastien Han 
>>> Cloud Architect 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
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