On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 18:34 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
the problem here is that i thought i saw where a person had to have permission for these things such as the wiki. when some asks a question in irc which may be a general linux question, should they be told that centos doesnt support it therefore go away? the impression here is that if its not a centos rpm, then we want nothing to do with it. while that may be true in fact, i think this is wrong inherently with the mission of centos to tell someone this. i understand it gets old to sit and watch these kind of questions all the time, maybe someone needs a break then.Subscribing to centos-devel or starting a SIG or doing a project on http://projects.centos.org/ does not require *any* invitation and that is where involvement starts. Well, it even does start on a lower level - by supporting other users on IRC, forums or mailing lists. Which also does not require an invitation. Neither does writing up documentation on the Wiki.
understood.Access to packages preliminary to release or access to build hosts - that requires an invitation. But that is on top of the involvement process.
this is unfortunate and a failure of this type of communication.> > If CentOS noticed a huge decline in users they might be concerned about > > this. They haven't; you're probably the only one I've heard bringing > > up this issue and honestly it sounds like you were the cause of the > > problem. > > that may be your perception. perhaps you would want to look at the logs > so you would know. Others probably had another perception - and I think that today might have been just "the icing on the cake".
its seen as a non-definitive answer to a question that would normally ask for more detail. i.e., a copout.> and users do not react well to being told rudely 'it will be ready when > its ready', that is just rude. But it will only be ready when it is ready. If there would be a known date or even week, that would have been announced. But from the beginning on people have been told that it normally takes three to four weeks for CentOS to follow up on a release from upstream. And I don't see anything rude in stating exactly that - it is ready when it is ready. And the time frame within that "is ready" will happen is still the same as in Tim's blog post on planet.centos.org. What is rude about that?
does this include support in IRC? or mailing lists and forums only? (just curious) notice my criticism here is the IRC channels only and the responses there.> i do not perceive it as a paying customer, and i was not the one that > brought that up. now that it has been brought up, what is the mission of > CentOS ? To provide people with a free (as in beer, RHEL and CentOS are also free as in free speech) Enterprise Linux Distribution. I think that counts as goal No. 1.
> > This is open source etiquette. It differs from business etiquette > > where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about > > things because you're paying someone a lot of money. > > the etiquette is rudeness to promote open source? is this what you are > saying? No. But people rather do work on stuff so that it does get ready than to market around it and promise stuff that won't happen. Ralph _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@xxxxxxxxxx http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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