Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/4] Remove unnecessary RCU grace period chaining

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On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 03:08:21PM +0800, Hou Tao wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 10/18/2022 11:08 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 03:31:20PM +0800, Hou Tao wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 10/17/2022 9:39 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 07:39:42PM +0800, Hou Tao wrote:
> SNIP
> >>>
> >> Thanks for the review. But it seems I missed another possible use case for
> >> rcu_trace_implies_rcu_gp() in bpf memory allocator. The code snippet for
> >> free_mem_alloc() is as following:
> >>
> >> static void free_mem_alloc(struct bpf_mem_alloc *ma)
> >> {
> >>         /* waiting_for_gp lists was drained, but __free_rcu might
> >>          * still execute. Wait for it now before we freeing percpu caches.
> >>          */
> >>         rcu_barrier_tasks_trace();
> >>         rcu_barrier();
> >>         free_mem_alloc_no_barrier(ma);
> >> }
> >>
> >> It uses rcu_barrier_tasks_trace() and rcu_barrier() to wait for the completion
> >> of pending call_rcu_tasks_trace()s and call_rcu()s. I think it is also safe to
> >> check rcu_trace_implies_rcu_gp() in free_mem_alloc() and if it is true, there is
> >> no need to call rcu_barrier().
> >>
> >> static void free_mem_alloc(struct bpf_mem_alloc *ma)
> >> {
> >>         /* waiting_for_gp lists was drained, but __free_rcu_tasks_trace()
> >>          * or __free_rcu() might still execute. Wait for it now before we
> >>          * freeing percpu caches.
> >>          */
> >>         rcu_barrier_tasks_trace();
> >>         if (!rcu_trace_implies_rcu_gp())
> >>                 rcu_barrier();
> >>         free_mem_alloc_no_barrier(ma);
> >> }
> >>
> >> Does the above change look good to you ? If it is, I will post v3 to include the
> >> above change and add your Reviewed-by tag.
> > Unfortunately, although synchronize_rcu_tasks_trace() implies
> > that synchronize_rcu(), there is no relationship between the
> > callbacks.  Furthermore, rcu_barrier_tasks_trace() does not imply
> > synchronize_rcu_tasks_trace().
> 
> Yes. I see. And according to the code, if there is not pending cb,
> rcu_barrier_tasks_trace() will returned immediately. It is also possible
> rcu_tasks_trace kthread is in the middle of grace period waiting when invoking
> rcu_barrier_task_trace(), so rcu_barrier_task_trace() does not imply
> synchronize_rcu_tasks_trace().

Very good!

> > So the above change really would break things.  Please do not do it.
> 
> However I am a little confused about the conclusion. If only considering the
> invocations of call_rcu() and call_rcu_tasks_trace() in kernel/bpf/memalloc.c, I
> think it is safe to do so, right ? Because if  rcu_trace_implies_rcu_gp() is
> true, there will be no invocation of call_rcu() and rcu_barrier_tasks_trace()
> will wait for the completion of pending call_rcu_tasks_trace(). If
> rcu_trace_implies_rcu_gp(), rcu_barrier_tasks_trace() and rcu_barrier() will do
> the job. If considering the invocations of call_rcu() in other places, I think
> it is definitely unsafe to do that, right ?

Agreed, I am being cautious and pessimistic in assuming that there are
other call_rcu() invocations.  On the other hand, my caution and pessimism
is based on their having been other call_rcu() invocations in the past.
So please verify that there are none before making this sort of change.

							Thanx, Paul

> > You could use workqueues or similar to make the rcu_barrier_tasks_trace()
> > and the rcu_barrier() wait concurrently, though.  This would of course
> > require some synchronization.
> Thanks for the suggestion. Will check it later.
> >
> > 							Thanx, Paul
> >
> >>>> Change Log:
> >>>>
> >>>> v2:
> >>>>  * codify the implication of RCU Tasks Trace grace period instead of
> >>>>    assuming for it
> >>>>
> >>>> v1: https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20221011071128.3470622-1-houtao@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>> Hou Tao (3):
> >>>>   bpf: Use rcu_trace_implies_rcu_gp() in bpf memory allocator
> >>>>   bpf: Use rcu_trace_implies_rcu_gp() in local storage map
> >>>>   bpf: Use rcu_trace_implies_rcu_gp() for program array freeing
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul E. McKenney (1):
> >>>>   rcu-tasks: Provide rcu_trace_implies_rcu_gp()
> >>>>
> >>>>  include/linux/rcupdate.h       | 12 ++++++++++++
> >>>>  kernel/bpf/bpf_local_storage.c | 13 +++++++++++--
> >>>>  kernel/bpf/core.c              |  8 +++++++-
> >>>>  kernel/bpf/memalloc.c          | 15 ++++++++++-----
> >>>>  kernel/rcu/tasks.h             |  2 ++
> >>>>  5 files changed, 42 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
> >>>>
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> 2.29.2
> >>>>
> >>> .
> 



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