Installing a minimal baseline with no sound servers gets espeak and espeakup able to speak. However if I put pipewire or pulseaudio in as sound servers after first reboot all that comes up is silence. Without the sound servers a couple seconds after speaker click I hit enter once and get a talking login. My extra packages are: alsa-utils ddgr dhcpcd emacs espeakup irssi lynx man-db man-pages mlocate texinfo vi -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to blinux-list+unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxx.