That could not work for a total, with no one else around. > On Apr 6, 2022, at 8:12 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > depending on the distribution you may need to install orca additively. > > > On Thu, 7 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> When did Cinnamon get A11y? >> >> The narrative I've always heard is oh it has no A11Y by design? >> >> If that's actually changed recently I may give it a shot on Arch then >> >> On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 05:09:20PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>> It's getting better and if memory serves is almost up with mate. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>> >>>> Is Cinnamon as good and accessible as Mate? If thaat's so, it's great then. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 03:17:39PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion >>>> wrote: >>>>> Cinnamon would qualify as a desktop and is supposed to be similar to mate >>>>> in operation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just pointing out that Ratpoison+Strychnine, IceWm, Openbox and others >>>>>> aren't >>>>>> exactly full desktops, but are pretty much just the window manager side of >>>>>> things. A full desktop would include at least one panel with system >>>>>> tray/notification area, app indicators such as the battery monitor and >>>>>> clock, >>>>>> most of the time a file manager that doubles as a root window desktop that >>>>>> can >>>>>> include launchers and mount points and an application menu or some other >>>>>> type >>>>>> of launcher that allows you to see the applications on the system and >>>>>> launch >>>>>> them, usually grouped into various categories. Strychnine does do some of >>>>>> this >>>>>> for Ratpoison, but it's pretty much just a launcher menu and run window >>>>>> type >>>>>> of thing. Many components that would make it a full desktop are still >>>>>> missing, >>>>>> although it is possible to run Caja or Nautilus and possibly either >>>>>> mate-panel >>>>>> or gnome-panel along with it for a more full desktop experience if desired. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> About the best full desktop experience I've used is GNOME 2.x, which is >>>>>> continued as the MATE desktop. Some panel applets don't necessarily speak >>>>>> as >>>>>> much as they should, for example, nm-applet, which is the network manager, >>>>>> only says "panel," but for the most part, everything just works and is >>>>>> navigable with only a keyboard, although I find Orca's "speak object under >>>>>> mouse" to be fairly useful at times as well. GNOME 3.x and 40+ is another >>>>>> option, but some things seem to be a little less usable than the MATE >>>>>> desktop >>>>>> overall. KDE is coming along, but is still in the early stages of a11y >>>>>> development, so although many things are starting to work pretty well, >>>>>> others >>>>>> are still not quite usable at this stage. For full desktops, the only other >>>>>> partially usable options are xfce, lxde and lxqt, and all of those seem to >>>>>> be >>>>>> getting a bit long in the tooth, and some of these are even starting to >>>>>> lose >>>>>> some of the accessibility they once had. So as full desktops go, my three >>>>>> best >>>>>> recommendations would be MATE, then GNOME, then KDE. And then there are the >>>>>> window managers that include keyboard navigation, Ratpoison+Strychnine >>>>>> probably being the best of those options, although I have heard that IceWM, >>>>>> Fluxbox and Openbox, as well as possibly i3, can also be made more usable >>>>>> with >>>>>> either helper applications or hand-edited configuration files. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Kyle >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list