When did Cinnamon get A11y? The narrative I've always heard is oh it has no A11Y by design? If that's actually changed recently I may give it a shot on Arch then On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 05:09:20PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > It's getting better and if memory serves is almost up with mate. > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Is Cinnamon as good and accessible as Mate? If thaat's so, it's great then. > > > > On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 03:17:39PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion > > wrote: > > >Cinnamon would qualify as a desktop and is supposed to be similar to mate > > >in operation. > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > >> Just pointing out that Ratpoison+Strychnine, IceWm, Openbox and others > > >> aren't > > >> exactly full desktops, but are pretty much just the window manager side of > > >> things. A full desktop would include at least one panel with system > > >> tray/notification area, app indicators such as the battery monitor and > > >> clock, > > >> most of the time a file manager that doubles as a root window desktop that > > >> can > > >> include launchers and mount points and an application menu or some other > > >> type > > >> of launcher that allows you to see the applications on the system and > > >> launch > > >> them, usually grouped into various categories. Strychnine does do some of > > >> this > > >> for Ratpoison, but it's pretty much just a launcher menu and run window > > >> type > > >> of thing. Many components that would make it a full desktop are still > > >> missing, > > >> although it is possible to run Caja or Nautilus and possibly either > > >> mate-panel > > >> or gnome-panel along with it for a more full desktop experience if desired. > > >> > > >> > > >> About the best full desktop experience I've used is GNOME 2.x, which is > > >> continued as the MATE desktop. Some panel applets don't necessarily speak > > >> as > > >> much as they should, for example, nm-applet, which is the network manager, > > >> only says "panel," but for the most part, everything just works and is > > >> navigable with only a keyboard, although I find Orca's "speak object under > > >> mouse" to be fairly useful at times as well. GNOME 3.x and 40+ is another > > >> option, but some things seem to be a little less usable than the MATE > > >> desktop > > >> overall. KDE is coming along, but is still in the early stages of a11y > > >> development, so although many things are starting to work pretty well, > > >> others > > >> are still not quite usable at this stage. For full desktops, the only other > > >> partially usable options are xfce, lxde and lxqt, and all of those seem to > > >> be > > >> getting a bit long in the tooth, and some of these are even starting to > > >> lose > > >> some of the accessibility they once had. So as full desktops go, my three > > >> best > > >> recommendations would be MATE, then GNOME, then KDE. And then there are the > > >> window managers that include keyboard navigation, Ratpoison+Strychnine > > >> probably being the best of those options, although I have heard that IceWM, > > >> Fluxbox and Openbox, as well as possibly i3, can also be made more usable > > >> with > > >> either helper applications or hand-edited configuration files. > > >> > > >> ~Kyle > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Blinux-list mailing list > > >> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > >> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > >> > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Blinux-list mailing list > > >Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > >https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list