what is your latest website?
On 2/10/2022 11:42 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
..which makes stating that these are accessible incorrect.
These samples are in fact accessible, by the w3c's guidelines, not
mine. I stated that I have added fallback links to my own website, but
this is not a requirement for HTML5 accessibility as defined by the
w3c's accessibility working group, or at least not as far as I know.
It's just something I did because I wanted to include legacy support
for older browsers.
Linux exists in command line as well as gui. as someone else in a
different thread noted recently, they personally would not touch gui
again for the rest of their lives if given a choice. Meaning these
options are not universally available or accessible in Linux as a whole.
The fact that text-based browsers do not support HTML5 standards makes
them inaccessible and perhaps even unusable. There is nothing in the
world stopping them from becoming usable by today's standards, it
would seem that they just want to stay back in the 1990's. Music and
video players exist in text environments, offering nearly all the
functionality I get on a desktop. It's time for the browser to do the
same. Still, if my phone and my desktop environment can read it
without any issues, two out of three ain't all that bad. That said, I
was not attempting to start a flame war, as I mentioned the fallback
possibility as something that I do, but that the browsers I use hide
those fallback links, so I can't say whether or not this other website
that I did not write employs such links, which would make the samples
available through other browsers, but again is not at all a
requirement to meet 2022's accessibility guidelines as defined by
people other than myself, which incidentally includes people who as
you say use text environments as much as possible. But even those
people must use what browsers are designed to at least try to adhere
to those guidelines, and like it or not, even w3m does not comply with
current HTML standards, and it's about the best text browser available.
might as well say, please only be disabled as I personally define it,
writing accessible by your own dictionary and seemingly to project it
on to other people.
Not at all my intention. I didn't define the accessibility guidelines,
I only adhere to them to the best of my own abilities, and even took
my website's accessibility a major step further than I needed to in
order to accomodate the most people. How dare you put words into my
mouth that I never said, especially since I clearly said the opposite.
And I don't think that was the w3c's intention either.
Why not say from the outset, that the items are only available for
some Linux users?
Because that would be an outright lie. Everyone who runs a Linux
operating system has the choice to use Brave, Chromium, Google Chrome,
Firefox and a host of other standards-compliant browsers. Just because
you yourself made the choice not to use them does not mean that they
are not available should you choose one of them. There are even ways
around the whole desktop environment and screen display thing, using
xvfb I think it's called with dummy display output and a very small
window manager that just runs your screen reader and browser and
otherwise stays completely out of the way. Again, it's about personal
choice, but more about needing the ability to choose a text-mode
browser that can handle the simplest HTML5 audio standard, and at
least enough JavaScript to be able to handle basic things like banking
and shopping without choking and either crashing or sending me to a
blank screen or back to the login page as if my credentials were
incorrect. The fact is that text browsers can't even handle HTML4
correctly, as they don't know how to handle something as simple as
headers in most cases. At the very least, keyboard header navigation
would be a step in the right direction. But again, this is not my
fault, nor the fault of modern website developers. This is a lack of
standards compliance among text-mode browsers. Nothing more, nothing
less.
~Kyle
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