Amazon does business in other countries where such standard
requirements
do exist.
Besides, Amazon is not claiming that it need not be inclusive.
Rather it
is pretending, without cross platform testing and actual attempts to
provide a uniform experience, that it exists with them.
On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Congress has not attached web accessibility guidelines to the
ADA, > guidelines were not established under President Obama and
President > Trump's administration is officially not pursuing any
such guidelines. >
https://www.boia.org/blog/is-website-accessibility-required-under-the-ada
> > > Amazon is not covered under Section 508 of the
Rehabilitation Act, as > the Department of the Navy is.
> > > Don't get me wrong, I think the ADA extends to web sites,
and I think > Domino's will lose, but the legal question has yet
to be settled. This > would all be moot if the DoJ under Obama or
Trump had adopted the WCAD > 2.0 standards as the standards
applying to web accessibility under the > ADA.
> > > On 8/24/19 3:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> > I predict Dominos will have its clock thoroughly cleaned. >
> Precedent
> > even in the Supreme Court isn't on their side.
> > Congress made it clear what accessibility requirements are in
the
> > accessibility process and that happened in 2010. There's
about 16
> > technical requirements and a Preamble to Section 508 and this
was
> > something D.O.D. got measured against in 2012 when Obama
required a
> > D.O.D.-wide accessibility report. End result of that was the
> > United
> > States Navy was Accessibility Leader and the United States
Navy was
> > still left with serious problems and all other components had
much > > work
> > to do. I know about that having worked for the Navy during
that > > time.
> > > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general discussion
wrote:
> > > > > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:53:37
> > > From: Linux for blind general discussion
<blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: amazon?
> > > > Amazon is definitely aware of Linux. They have apps
running on > > Android > and
> > > even platforms that use Android as their OS. They support
Linux > > in AWS
> > > including their own flavor of Linux. I'm sure their are
some > > staff at > Amazon
> > > who don't know about Linux, but that doesn't mean the
company is > > unaware > of or
> > > doesn't care about Linux.
> > > > > BTW, there is still a legal question as to whether a
web site > > which > offers
> > > products or services to the public needs to be accessible.
The > > ADA > doesn't
> > > have companion guidelines on what it means for a site to be
> > accessible > and
> > > Domino's is going to court to claim that the ADA doesn't
require > > them to > make
> > > their site or apps accessible. I think the ADA does apply
to > > public web > sites,
> > > and I think Domino's will lose, but that doesn't mean it
isn't > > still an > open
> > > legal question.
> > > > > > On 8/24/19 2:11 PM, Linux for blind general
discussion > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > 1. My comment regarding Linux is based on direct
communications > > with > > Amazon
> > > > staff,? who have confessed not to have heard of it,and?
who > > have no > > direct
> > > > contact with their so called accessibility team when
problems > > arise.
> > > > 2. them properly compiled? elinks and links function with
java > > script.
> > > > 3.? Access is tied to interaction which is why even later
> > editions of > > lynx
> > > > can manage some scripting, submit buttons for example.
> > > > > > 4. since adaptive technology is often a substitution
for > > the persons > > eyes,
> > > > hands, brain, and the like, what gives you the right to
state > > > > that
> > > > technology choices are not tied to physical mandates??
How does > > your > > stance
> > > > differ from those who claim that access need not exist at
all,? > > or > > that all
> > > > those sharing? a label are the same?
> > > > 5. the names of access or other individuals at amazon >
> confirming your
> > > > assumption here?? the legal stance is that if a site
serves the > > > > public, an
> > > > individual can expect equal public access...which is why?
> > alternative
> > > > doors??? are to exist? in the first place.
> > > > How do you know what low graphics can or cannot do if you
do > > not > > follow
> > > > their development?? This is about keyboard response which
> > exists in
> > > > graphical? browsers like elinks and links.
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Aug 2019, Linux for blind general
> > discussion wrote:
> > > > > > > I don't believe for a minute that the accessibility
staff > > at Amazon > > > has
> > > > > either forgotten or stopped caring about Linux
accessibility. > > > > > Realistically
> > > > > though, it is possible that they have stopped worrying
about > > the > > > very small
> > > > > number of people who still use text-based browsers and
expect > > them > > > to work
> > > > > for shopping, banking and other modern internet tasks.
The > > thing is > > > Linux
> > > > > accessibility in 2019 != lynx/links/elinks
accessibility. In > > fact, > > > this
> > > > > hasn't been the case since about 2008 or so
> > > > > .
> > > > > Unfortunately, text-based browsers have not kept up
with the > > rest of > > > the
> > > > > internet, and can't be expected to work well for most >
> websites > > > without a
> > > > > major overhaul, especially since they don't even
support the > > latest > > > HTML5
> > > > > standards, nor do they support accessibility standards
that > > have > > > been in
> > > > > place for years. Even w3m doesn't fully support the
w3c's own > > > > > standards.
> > > > > > > > Yes, I can see why some people may want these >
> light-weight and fast
> > > > > browsers to work with Amazon, and yes, they should be
made > > aware of > > > the
> > > > > problems that people are having. But to say that Amazon
> > doesn't care > > > about
> > > > > Linux accessibility because their site doesn't work
with a > > > > > text-based
> > > > > browser is at best a gross exageration, and is at worst
a > > grave > > > disservice
> > > > > to those of us who use Linux and a screen reader at the
same > > time.
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