Hi! Anders Here. FOr those using a braille display i have seen the brltty for dos. I am not sure if it can use speech in dos to. /A > 2 juni 2017 kl. 14:49 skrev Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>: > > Well, I'm not sure how many others are gonna come forward, so if you think I should download something else, I certainly wouldn't mind your help. > I just need to know where to get it. > > > Mark Peveto > Registered Linux user number 600552 > Everything happens after coffee! > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Will leave you to others then, since freedos can be unpredictable. >> Without knowing more about your computer I cannot help you. >> Although I believe I came across a link to download jaws for dos recently. >> Kare >> >> >> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >>> I made a free dos cd. I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine. >>> I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I >>> really wanted. But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I >>> get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff? Been years since >>> I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available. More input would be >>> helpful. thanks yall. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark Peveto >>> Registered Linux user number 600552 >>> Everything happens after coffee! >>> >>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>> >>>> again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and >>>> screen >>>> reading program. >>>> If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the >>>> start >>>> files for your screen reader on the disk you are using. Or installing >>>> first >>>> from floppy etc. >>>> Depends on what you are using all the way around. >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>> >>>>> How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark Peveto >>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552 >>>>> Everything happens after coffee! >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this >>>>>> year >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.freedos.org/download/ >>>>>> >>>>>> which is available for free and has multiple installation-media >>>>>> images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your >>>>>> machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image >>>>>> files to write to a USB disk) >>>>>> >>>>>> It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS >>>>>> application that you throw at it. >>>>>> >>>>>> -tim >>>>>> >>>>>> On June 1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>>>>> Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos. Coolness! >>>>>>> How can i get it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark Peveto >>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 600552 >>>>>>> Everything happens after coffee! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine >>>>>>>> running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen >>>>>>>> reader. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem >>>>>>>> cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to >>>>>>>> remote accounts etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux >>>>>>>> consoles feel the same. Regardless whether they are on my local >>>>>>>> box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls >>>>>>>> from my main keyboard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general >>>>>>>> discussion wrote: >>>>>>>>> If two local computers are available with one running dos and a >>>>>>>>> compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work >>>>>>>>> in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a >>>>>>>>> program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to >>>>>>>>> the other computer running linux and have all console output >>>>>>>>> redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I did >>>>>>>>> this once with only one version of linux and the information on >>>>>>>>> how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36 >>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion >>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> To: Linux for blind general >>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: living in >>>>>>>>>> the console. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am not. >>>>>>>>>> since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my >>>>>>>>>> synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system. >>>>>>>>>> That means having one built and configured locally..something >>>>>>>>>> I did not think would be such an issue. I mean I do it >>>>>>>>>> regularly for DOS when I find a later edition of DOS that >>>>>>>>>> gives me something needful. My present dos package for >>>>>>>>>> example is only a few years old comparatively speaking, has >>>>>>>>>> full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying >>>>>>>>>> to find local talent for the Linux side for more than a >>>>>>>>>> decade now, almost 15 years or so I imagine. >>>>>>>>>> User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can >>>>>>>>>> be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in >>>>>>>>>> basic but informative detail does not exist, let alone in >>>>>>>>>> person training. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send >>>>>>>>>> it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked >>>>>>>>>> hardware, or for that person to have included any way to >>>>>>>>>> reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into >>>>>>>>>> the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running >>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as >>>>>>>>>> current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box >>>>>>>>>> must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for >>>>>>>>>> music making and media..which means in person real skill. >>>>>>>>>> long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no >>>>>>>>>> progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building >>>>>>>>>> a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to >>>>>>>>>> introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we >>>>>>>>>> waited...and waited...and waited lol! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one >>>>>>>>>> side of the keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me >>>>>>>>>> personally is counter productive. >>>>>>>>>> My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine >>>>>>>>>> actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands >>>>>>>>>> off the keys unless I need to review. >>>>>>>>>> Most important though since all software speech makes me >>>>>>>>>> dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am >>>>>>>>>> using. Long answer to as short comment, >>>>>>>>>> Kare >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you're in the market for a linux laptop, >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion >>>>>>>>>>>> <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> To: Linux for blind general >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: living >>>>>>>>>>>> in the console. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have no actual Linux box myself. >>>>>>>>>>>> Kare >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe >>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse-setup > or something like that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The readme file will tell you all about it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it must require more because when I tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>> visiting >>>>>>>>>>>> paypal I just > got a series of numbers and a blank >>>>>>>>>>>> page. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> looking for > business solutions? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Granted we may not have it fully configured here at >>>>>>>>>>>>> shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just type: edbrowse url >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you can use the same commands as ed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I love it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind >>>>>>>>>>>> general discussion > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to test >>>>>>>>>>>> something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> surfraw-heavy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from BlueMail for iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Peveto wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the last couple days or so, I've considered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a totally command line linux user. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurdle >>>>>>>>>>>> for much of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things, but some sites just need a fully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-standards-supporting browser. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would I print to my printer for example, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on what you want to print, but it >>>>>>>>>>>> usually involves piping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>>> configured to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use CUPS on the back end (and may already be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configured out of the box for you). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting fancier output would involve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering some >>>>>>>>>>>> sort of markup. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Word/LibreOffice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs from the command-line to the printer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you want to print, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect >>>>>>>>>>>> it can be done in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most cases. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play an entire album from my music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection. It depends on your tastes, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are literally >>>>>>>>>>>> dozens of music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to specify just the files you want on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line and >>>>>>>>>>>> it will play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a little more control over playback. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player >>>>>>>>>>>> Daemon/Client that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs in the background and doesn't really have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create/edit playlists, >>>>>>>>>>>> control playback, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the shell >>>>>>>>>>>> and have > > > quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to common commands with my media-keys. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I use "cmus" which has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text-mode GUI >>>>>>>>>>>> but also has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which lets me flip between >>>>>>>>>>>> them > > > pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with in a >>>>>>>>>>>> graphical > > > player. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How, also, would I create documents in >>>>>>>>>>>> something beyond text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually it's done with a markup that suits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> tastes. I personally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been writing HTML by hand since college in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mid >>>>>>>>>>>> 90s so > > > that's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (it does produce some beautiful output and also has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external library >>>>>>>>>>>> support for > > > things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like music markup letting you write scores) while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other people like some of the more light-weight >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd kick the tires on a few and see what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels >>>>>>>>>>>> natural to you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets you convert between a large number of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input/output formats so you can write in Markdown >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert >>>>>>>>>>>> to MS-Word >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with >>>>>>>>>>>> minimal loss. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may lose some information in the process since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain-text doesn't support many features as you've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>> linux has to offer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the console? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One program at a time (grins). So much like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each of >>>>>>>>>>>> the items above, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GUI >>>>>>>>>>>> but would > > > like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next adventure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I maintain a page listing a number of common >>>>>>>>>>>> command-line tools: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can point you in the direction of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various >>>>>>>>>>>> applications to try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. Some might drive you crazy while others might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit your brain just right. They should all be free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are likely in most software repos, so it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cost you anything except a little time to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try each one out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever >>>>>>>>>>>> decides to help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is gonna hafta be patient. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The folks on this list are a pretty friendly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>>>>> patient bunch, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll be glad to help where we can. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -tim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Rudy Vener >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list