Well, I'm not sure how many others are gonna come forward, so if you think I should download something else, I certainly wouldn't mind your help. I just need to know where to get it. Mark Peveto Registered Linux user number 600552 Everything happens after coffee! On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Will leave you to others then, since freedos can be unpredictable. > Without knowing more about your computer I cannot help you. > Although I believe I came across a link to download jaws for dos recently. > Kare > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > I made a free dos cd. I've got a dectalk express hooked up to this machine. > > I have demos of asap and vocal eyes. Couldn't get jaws for dos, which I > > really wanted. But if I put the cd in, and let it spin a while, how do I > > get dectalk talking so I can work the install and stuff? Been years since > > I've done this, and a reader isn't readily available. More input would be > > helpful. thanks yall. > > > > > > > > Mark Peveto > > Registered Linux user number 600552 > > Everything happens after coffee! > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > again, my note on hardware, starting with a good dos synthesizer and > > > screen > > > reading program. > > > If your machine is dos ready, you can manage, for example including the > > > start > > > files for your screen reader on the disk you are using. Or installing > > > first > > > from floppy etc. > > > Depends on what you are using all the way around. > > > Karen > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > How's a feller handle installation if he can't see the screen? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Peveto > > > > Registered Linux user number 600552 > > > > Everything happens after coffee! > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tim here. The FreeDOS folks just released version 1.2 earlier this > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > http://www.freedos.org/download/ > > > > > > > > > > which is available for free and has multiple installation-media > > > > > images (ISOs to burn a CD along with a boot-floppy image if your > > > > > machine is so old that it won't boot to a CD, as well as a disk-image > > > > > files to write to a USB disk) > > > > > > > > > > It's actively developed and should run pretty much any DOS > > > > > application that you throw at it. > > > > > > > > > > -tim > > > > > > > > > > On June 1, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > Ok, this dos discussion makes me wanna run dos. Coolness! > > > > > > How can i get it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Peveto > > > > > > Registered Linux user number 600552 > > > > > > Everything happens after coffee! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution I've been using for years is to use my DOS machine > > > > > > > running Telix, a vt100 terminal emulator and Vocal Eyes screen > > > > > > > reader. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I just connect to my local linux box using a null modem > > > > > > > cable and from there run screen for multiple consoles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux does all the heavy lifting including mplayer, lynx, ssh to > > > > > > > remote accounts etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best part of this mode of operation is that all linux > > > > > > > consoles feel the same. Regardless whether they are on my local > > > > > > > box, on my Panix shell account, or on a remote work server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And as was pointed out, I can control all the speech controls > > > > > > > from my main keyboard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:02:42PM -0400, Linux for blind general > > > > > > > discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > If two local computers are available with one running dos and a > > > > > > > > compatible screen reader and a user is willing and able to work > > > > > > > > in the console it's possible with a null modem cable and a > > > > > > > > program like kermit or commo on the dos machine to connect to > > > > > > > > the other computer running linux and have all console output > > > > > > > > redirected out the linux serial port to the dos box. I did > > > > > > > > this once with only one version of linux and the information on > > > > > > > > how to do that is in one of linux-howtos serial howto files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:03:36 > > > > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> To: Linux for blind general > > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: living in > > > > > > > > > the console. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not. > > > > > > > > > since none of the Linux speech sources currently support my > > > > > > > > > synthesizer, it is not like I can just buy a system. > > > > > > > > > That means having one built and configured locally..something > > > > > > > > > I did not think would be such an issue. I mean I do it > > > > > > > > > regularly for DOS when I find a later edition of DOS that > > > > > > > > > gives me something needful. My present dos package for > > > > > > > > > example is only a few years old comparatively speaking, has > > > > > > > > > full USB support, networking etc. However I have been trying > > > > > > > > > to find local talent for the Linux side for more than a > > > > > > > > > decade now, almost 15 years or so I imagine. > > > > > > > > > User groups tend to have a laid back perspective if they can > > > > > > > > > be found. clear, fundamental and step by step information in > > > > > > > > > basic but informative detail does not exist, let alone in > > > > > > > > > person training. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I even had someone try to install Linux to a drive and send > > > > > > > > > it, only not to have Linux support any of the hand picked > > > > > > > > > hardware, or for that person to have included any way to > > > > > > > > > reach the internet...I am serious. I would ssh telnet into > > > > > > > > > the box just like I do for Shellworld which is now running > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, or my dreamhost setup for work which is not as > > > > > > > > > current. I have no problem doing that at all, but the box > > > > > > > > > must exist setup to my specifications, I intend using it for > > > > > > > > > music making and media..which means in person real skill. > > > > > > > > > long distance has simply produced amusing efforts with no > > > > > > > > > progress. My favorite local effort was when someone building > > > > > > > > > a machine for me showed up with a live disk prepared to > > > > > > > > > introduce me to Linux. They popped in the cd and we > > > > > > > > > waited...and waited...and waited lol! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > besides, I think speekup still puts all the controls on one > > > > > > > > > side of the keyboard, not using the full thing, which for me > > > > > > > > > personally is counter productive. > > > > > > > > > My present screen readers, all of the ones on my machine > > > > > > > > > actually, let me get information without ever taking my hands > > > > > > > > > off the keys unless I need to review. > > > > > > > > > Most important though since all software speech makes me > > > > > > > > > dizzy is the need to keep the voice I have with whatever I am > > > > > > > > > using. Long answer to as short comment, > > > > > > > > > Kare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're in the market for a linux laptop, > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thinkpenguin.com/ is one good source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:57:30 > > > > > > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion > > > > > > > > > > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> To: Linux for blind general > > > > > > > > > > > discussion <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: living > > > > > > > > > > > in the console. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is why I am going to find one on line somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > I have no actual Linux box myself. > > > > > > > > > > > Kare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general discussion > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh I think there is a file somewhere called setup.exe > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > edbrowse-setup > or something like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry it has been many years since I did the setup. > > > > > > > > > > > > The readme file will tell you all about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Linux for blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well it must require more because when I tried > > > > > > > > > > > > > visiting > > > > > > > > > > > paypal I just > got a series of numbers and a blank > > > > > > > > > > > page. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even trying for a help menu produced the question, are > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > looking for > business solutions? > > > > > > > > > > > > Granted we may not have it fully configured here at > > > > > > > > > > > > shellworld. Will hunt some sort of manual and try again, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Linux for blind general > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: If you mean to browse something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just type: edbrowse url > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > edbrowse file > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you can use the same commands as ed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > edbrowse is also an email reader/sender and other > > > > > > > > > > > stuff. I love it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Linux for blind > > > > > > > > > > > general discussion > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of curiosity, what is the syntax for ebrowse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have it here at shellworld...I think, and I wish > > > > > > > > > > > > > to test > > > > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 May 2017, Linux for blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general > > > > > > > > > > > discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edbrowse may help for web browsing alonggg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > surfraw-heavy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlueMail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Linux for blind general > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Peveto wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the last couple days or so, I've considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoming a totally command line linux user. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm mostly there. Web browsing is the big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hurdle > > > > > > > > > > > for much of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day-to-day use. Lynx/links/elinks work for many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, but some sites just need a fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern-standards-supporting browser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would I print to my printer for example, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on what you want to print, but it > > > > > > > > > > > usually involves piping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things to the "lp" ("line printer") program. It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > configured to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use CUPS on the back end (and may already be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configured out of the box for you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting fancier output would involve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rendering some > > > > > > > > > > > sort of markup. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are tools to render HTML, LaTeX, PDFs, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Word/LibreOffice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > docs from the command-line to the printer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what you want to print, but I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect > > > > > > > > > > > it can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > play an entire album from my music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collection. It depends on your tastes, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are literally > > > > > > > > > > > dozens of music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > players. Some, such as mpg123/mpg312/aplay/ogg123 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow you to specify just the files you want on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > command line and > > > > > > > > > > > it will play > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. Others, like mplayer are similar but give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you a little more control over playback. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's also mpd/mpc which is the Music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Player > > > > > > > > > > > Daemon/Client that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > runs in the background and doesn't really have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI. The mpd program runs in the background and the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mpc program acts like a remote-control, letting you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create/edit playlists, > > > > > > > > > > > control playback, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. I like the remote-control aspect as I can map > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them to particular keys on my keyboard or aliases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the shell > > > > > > > > > > > and have > > > quick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to common commands with my media-keys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I use "cmus" which has a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text-mode GUI > > > > > > > > > > > but also has a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remote-control interface like mpd/mpc. I start up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tmux and have a pane for my alsamixer and cmus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which lets me flip between > > > > > > > > > > > them > > > pretty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > readily. It allows me to make play-lists, search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my collection, shuffle, etc, much like you'd be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > familiar with in a > > > > > > > > > > > graphical > > > player. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How, also, would I create documents in > > > > > > > > > > > something beyond text > > > > > > > > > > > > > > format? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > usually it's done with a markup that suits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > tastes. I personally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been writing HTML by hand since college in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mid > > > > > > > > > > > 90s so > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what I reach for. But other people like TeX/LaTeX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it does produce some beautiful output and also has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > external library > > > > > > > > > > > support for > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like music markup letting you write scores) while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other people like some of the more light-weight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > markup languages like Markdown or RST or the like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd kick the tires on a few and see what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feels > > > > > > > > > > > natural to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fortunately, there's a tool called "pandoc" that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lets you convert between a large number of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > input/output formats so you can write in Markdown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and convert to PDF, or write in HTML and convert > > > > > > > > > > > to MS-Word > > > > > > > > > > > > > > format, or write in LaTeX and convert to ePub with > > > > > > > > > > > minimal loss. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it outputs any of them in plain-text (though you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lose some information in the process since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plain-text doesn't support many features as you've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledged) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one ditch the guy, and still enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > linux has to offer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the console? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One program at a time (grins). So much like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each of > > > > > > > > > > > the items above, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a matter of asking "I currently do XYZ in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUI > > > > > > > > > > > but would > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to do XYZ in the console" for whatever XYZ is your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next adventure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I maintain a page listing a number of common > > > > > > > > > > > command-line tools: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tim.thechases.com/posts/cli/software-for-a-command-line-world/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can point you in the direction of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > applications to try > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out. Some might drive you crazy while others might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fit your brain just right. They should all be free > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are likely in most software repos, so it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't cost you anything except a little time to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try each one out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm willing to learn how to do this, but who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > decides to help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me is gonna hafta be patient. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The folks on this list are a pretty friendly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > > > > > patient bunch, so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we'll be glad to help where we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > 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