I would have to say I don’t like ither group. Seth Hurst From: Linux for blind general discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 09:39 To: blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: OT: ACB & NFB I am a member of the NFB of Dane County (Wisconsin) and it's great. I have met the most unbelievable people in that group. You know the saying, "Get knocked down 9 times, get up ten"? Try get knocked down a thousand times and get up a thousand and one. I used to think I had no reason to hang out with other blind people. We happen to be blind but other than that we have nothing in common. But I've never met a better bunch of people in my life. Not only do I really enjoy it, it helps me keep my perspective. PS: It was probably really stupid of me to start this thread. I didn't intend to start an NFB vs ACB debate. I deliberately titled the thread NFB *and* ACB as if that would matter. Stupid. -- John Heim On 04/26/2017 06:28 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Tony Baechler here. I don't know who you are, but I thank you! I > couldn't agree more! I went to the LCB. That was the worst month of my > life! They tried to take my SSI (I guess I shouldn't be allowed to > manage my own money), wouldn't help me learn even basic tasks and told > me to sink or swim. Huh? What about training? I'm a cane user and I > don't like dogs out of preference. Guide dogs were absolutely forbidden. > Too bad if you have some vision as you weren't allowed to use it. Oh, > you need help in cooking class? Too bad for you! I was very much a > believer in the NFB until then, but no more! I was a member at large of > the ACB, but am not currently a member of either. Of the two, the ACB is > far more welcoming and friendly. I would join them just for that reason, > but I think their structured negotiation method of getting things done > as opposed to suing the pants off everyone works much better and makes > the blind look better. The NFB has benefitted from what the ACB has > done, just as the ACB has. I'm starting to see those few, rare times > when both worked together. I predict that within 20 years, they merge. > Also, the ACB split off the NFB in 1961. > > On 4/25/2017 4:05 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> NFB members at a training center alienated me through their rigid >> insistence on straight canes and failure to account for the >> multiply-disabled or congenitally blind in training methods. I also >> couldn't stomach their idea that I should run all my words and actions >> through the "how does this make all blind people look" filter, or that >> becoming normal should be my ultimate goal. Several of us in here >> would have to lose a bunch of IQ points to be considered normal. And, >> I hate the Borg. >> >> That was over a decade ago. I'm on some of their mailing lists and I >> have some of their folding) canes since those are useful things. I >> won't join, but I've met some interesting individual members. >> >> On 4/25/17, Linux for blind general discussion >> <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> The ACB's lawsuit against the U.S. Department of the Treasury to make >>> them make money accessible was already flawed to say the least. >>> According to the United States Constitution, the power to design money >>> has been delegated to Congress, and the Department of the Treasury is >>> only responsible for carrying out the orders of Congress. Therefore, the >>> best way to make money accessible would have been for any and all >>> so-called advocacy organizations to lobby Congress and get a bill passed >>> and signed by the President of the United States that would redesign our >>> money in an accessible way. Do I think the ACB's lawsuit was a publicity >>> stunt? Absolutely, as if they wanted us to have accessible money for >>> sure, they would have gone through the proper channels and we would have >>> had it by now. Instead, where are we? No closer to truly accessible >>> currency than we were when this whole sleighride begen nearly 10 years >>> ago. Thank you, ACB and NFB for being such advocates for the needs of >>> blind and visually impaired citizens of the United States. Without your >>> petty bickering and your "We're not them" attitudes, the world would >>> certainly be a better and more friendly place for all of us. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list