I'm Tony Baechler. Umm, Kyle, no. Anyone can host any project without caring
about accessibility. As you surely know, anyone can dump files on a public
server and anyone can host a git repo. No, RH doesn't host Orca. The Gnome
Foundation (gnome.org) hosts Orca. Their server is in Sweden. Joanie doesn't
work for RH. She works for a totally unrelated company, the name of which
escapes me. I have no idea how much work they put into their installer, but
I would say too little, too late. You didn't address the broken Speakup
kernel. Ubuntu doesn't have console speech working out of the box either,
(one can set it up within a terminal app) but at least the Speakup modules work.
I don't blame RH for the state of the list or the spam. I blame them for
their business decisions which seem to preclude accessibility and generally
looking (pun intended) the other way when approached over the years. I do
think it would be a very good idea to get this list off of their
infrastructure. As I posted elsewhere, I'm not sure that fsf.org or gnu.org
are good choices.
On 4/24/2017 4:14 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Tony,
First of all, as far as I've been able to deduce over the years, everyone
*cares* about accessibility. The problem is that no one *knows how* to best
address any issues with it. Red Hat certainly does care. If they didn't
care, they wouldn't ship Orca, or they wouldn't implement the alt+super+s
shortcut to turn on Orca in GNOME. Defaults you say, maybe. But still, if
they didn't care, why would they do so much work to get their installer
working with Orca? I don't think all that work was an accident.
With regard to yet another list, it's not necessary at all. We do still have
this list, and we can just put our names into our messages. Kyle here ....
In any case, if we don't want that, the FSF does have an accessibility list
as well.
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/accessibility
No sense making yet another Linux/free software accessibility list. Either
use this one, that one or both. In any case, we can't be blaming Red Hat for
the current state of this list. They did what they could do as quickly as
they could do it. Instead, if there is any blame to throw around, we should
be blaming the spammers that got us here.
~Kyle
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