My experience is that most blind people like a GUI with a screen reader better than the command line. Those who have teouble with GUIs, like me, seem to be decidedly in the minority. John On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:29:39AM +0200, Anders Holmberg wrote: > Hi! > Thats intresting. > I am the total oposit guy. > I had and have no problems learning gui’s but for me the command line is to hard. > Although i began with a debian command line system 16 years ago and gave that up for windows a couple of years. > Now i am back to vinux and a mac with osx. > I whish i was patient enough to learn command line. > Maybe i am to dum or maybe i am lazy. > /A > > On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:57, Sam Hartman <hartmans@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >>>>>> "John" == John J Boyer <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > > > > John> I';ve been trying to get a feel for GUIs for years. Sighted > > John> colleagues are no help. They only tell me how they use the > > John> mouse. They won't use a keyboard shourcut even when it is much > > John> simpler. For example, they will scroll down a long document > > John> instead of using ctrl+f to find something. i've tried > > John> unsuccessfully tpo find a Jaws trainer. After I reinstalled > > John> Windows 7 recently Jaws wouldn't install. I'm now using NVDA > > John> and I don't think I'll go back to Jaws. > > > > This is really interesting, because now I'm realizing that I don't know > > how to teach someone GUIs on modern equipment at all. > > I don't know if I can find a solution, but I'll see if I can toss the > > question around. > > > > I hear your frustration completely about people who know one way of > > doing something and who aren't even great at articulating that. > > > > I started to say "well, understanding the mouse at least well enough to > > get your screen reader to click places and stuff is worth knowing. > > That's true of course, although I just realized that most of the screen > > readers I use these days actually wouldn't let me click usefully on a > > scroll bar if I wanted to. > > So, even if you wanted to be incredibly slow, you can't get work done > > just understanding the mouse operations. > > > > Thanks for helping me understand an interesting challenge; I'll let you > > know if I come up with anything that might help at all. > > > > --Sam > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- John J. Boyer; President, AbilitiesSoft, Inc. Email: john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with disabilities which are available at no cost. _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list