>>>>> "John" == John J Boyer <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: John> I';ve been trying to get a feel for GUIs for years. Sighted John> colleagues are no help. They only tell me how they use the John> mouse. They won't use a keyboard shourcut even when it is much John> simpler. For example, they will scroll down a long document John> instead of using ctrl+f to find something. i've tried John> unsuccessfully tpo find a Jaws trainer. After I reinstalled John> Windows 7 recently Jaws wouldn't install. I'm now using NVDA John> and I don't think I'll go back to Jaws. This is really interesting, because now I'm realizing that I don't know how to teach someone GUIs on modern equipment at all. I don't know if I can find a solution, but I'll see if I can toss the question around. I hear your frustration completely about people who know one way of doing something and who aren't even great at articulating that. I started to say "well, understanding the mouse at least well enough to get your screen reader to click places and stuff is worth knowing. That's true of course, although I just realized that most of the screen readers I use these days actually wouldn't let me click usefully on a scroll bar if I wanted to. So, even if you wanted to be incredibly slow, you can't get work done just understanding the mouse operations. Thanks for helping me understand an interesting challenge; I'll let you know if I come up with anything that might help at all. --Sam _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list