oh, you are not using fusion.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 8:15 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
David, would you take one second to listen to what I'm trying to tell
you?
Quoting from the vmware server 2.0 manual:
"VI Web Access and VMware Remote Console replace the VMware Management
Interface and VMware Server Console."
As of 2.0, vmware server uses a web application to configure virtual
machines. This web app doesn't run under safari.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
vmware has nothing to do with a web browser. If you run fusion on
the mac for instance, you can run linux and or windows xp or vista
and others too I'm told.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:36 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
Getting vmware to run under linux does have something to do with
safari & voiceover. As I said, I don't think you can get the vmware
web app to run in safari. It doesn't run very well under firefox
with orca either. Well, in fact it doesn't run great under IE with
jaws for that matter. It's just kind of a sucky web app in terms
of accessibility. But I tried all three and by far the best combo
was IE & jaws.
It's true that having to press the enter key to enter data into a
field when using jaws is kind of lame but voiceover is chuck full
of things like that. You have to press a 4 key combination to
interact with a table or to interact with text.
I don't mean to trash voiceover here. As I said, I am trying to
switch to the Mac full time. You're on the voiceover list right? I
asked about the voiceover vs jaws issue last summer and
specifically about voiceover & safari compared to IE and jaws. I
was on yet another list and had asserted that voiceover users would
say that it's as good as jaws. So I asked on the voiceover list and
was disappointed by the answers. First of all, several people
agreed that voiceover isn't up the the standard set by jaws yet.
Others suggested I switch to firefox for the Mac. I guess you can't
entirely trust self-selected surveys but when it's voiceover users
themselves saying this, it carries a lot of weight. Well, anyway,
that's what I meant when I used the term "conventional wisdom".
It's not as if I've done a scientific survey but then "conventional
wisdom" isn't a scientific term either.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
we are mixing apples with oranges here. getting vm to run under
linux has nothing to do with voiceover and safari.
Jaws is over crowded with complexity, it robs us of the natural
ook and feel of the browser and makes a lot of mistakes in doing
so. I find it takes no greater number of keystrokes to do most
things with voiceover. I don't know what the "conventional
wisdom" means here but I have been using voiceover for 5 years
now and am so glad I don't have to be forced to turn on forms
mode or turn off the virtual mode just to use the web.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:04 PM, John Heim wrote:
My ultimate goal is to be jaws free. And I'm typing this on a Mac
mini. But my impression is that jaws and Windows is still
significantly ahead of Mac OS and voiceover. It takes too many
keystrokes to get things done vya voiceover. I even asked about
this on the voiceover list last summer and the conventional
wisdom is that voiceover isn't quite up to jaws level yet.
I've been trying to get Windows to run in a virtual machine under
linux. I don't think there is any way I'd have been able to get
that done without jaws.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:12 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
I find safari with voice over superior to jaws.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:00 PM, John Heim wrote:
Windows still has quite a few advantages as a user interface over
linux espeically for the blind. Windows and jaws is better than
Max OS and VoiceOver too. Go on the voiceOver email list and
even they will admit that. Note that I'm sending this from a Mac
mini.
Other reasons to want to run Windows would include the possibility
that you need to use some software that is available only for
Windows and the possibility that you have to support Windows.
I just got Windows running in a virtual machine via vmware
server2. But I'll post another message about that.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Really, that's as bad as running windows on the mac! In both
cases why accept the security problems and waste the disk space?
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Cody Hurst wrote:
The simple answer is no. There are ways, but you'd better do
your reading before asking such things because the ways that
are there are inaccessible.
And, why would you want to run windows under linux in the first
place?
On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:05 PM, 高生旺 wrote:
As title. Thank you!
Coscell
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